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Gas price plunge threatens fuel-cell and electric cars
SFGate.com ^ | 12/25/14 | David R. Baker

Posted on 12/25/2014 12:23:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge

ehicles, as did concern about global warming. But now gasoline prices have plunged to their lowest level since the Great Recession, averaging $2.50 nationwide for a gallon of regular. If gas prices stay low — granted, a very big “if” — one of the most powerful arguments for alternative fuel cars will be wiped out.

“You have an early-adopter group that’s much more interested in these vehicles as a way of doing something 'green,’ and the cost of fuel is not going to be a big factor for them,” said John O’Dell, a senior editor at the Edmunds.com auto information website. “Once you get out of the early-adopter group and into the mainstream, then gasoline prices matter a lot.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: electriccars; fuelcell; gasoline; opec; plunge; prices; saudiarabia; threatens
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Internal combustion engine in my car, I didn’t mind paying $1.70something last night in Spring Lake, Michigan.


41 posted on 12/25/2014 3:21:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/ _____________________ Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: NormsRevenge

42 posted on 12/25/2014 3:28:21 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: NormsRevenge

All a scam from the beginning.


43 posted on 12/25/2014 3:31:48 PM PST by jetson (Can I catch you a delicious bass...)
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To: Star Traveler

Go through St. Louis
Joplin, Missouri
Oklahoma city looking mighty pretty.

Get your kicks from Phillips 66!


44 posted on 12/25/2014 3:48:19 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Eccl 10:2
The oil mafia is getting the message.

What?

The message is;

"Drill Baby Drill"
-Sara Palin

45 posted on 12/25/2014 3:51:49 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: goldstategop

My sister sent me a pic from the pump at their local KY station on the 23rd and it’s $1.539 there...


46 posted on 12/25/2014 4:00:27 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is the Kenyan still trying to take credit for these falling gas prices? First he nailed Osama and now this! Whadda guy!!!


47 posted on 12/25/2014 4:43:33 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The trouble with America is that it's full of Americans. - The commie DemocRATS.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The cheapest we have found in our area of SoCal is $2.59, but it will be going up. Our governor Moonbeam made sure of that with our new gas tax starting at the beginning of the year.


48 posted on 12/25/2014 5:40:06 PM PST by coton_lover ("He who lives upon hope will die fasting." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NormsRevenge

Say hello to the new cap and trade gas tax Californians.


49 posted on 12/26/2014 1:32:27 AM PST by DAC21
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To: NormsRevenge; goldstategop; hosepipe; Sybeck1; Red_Devil 232; E. Pluribus Unum; zeestephen; ...
“Tesla has proven that electric cars are viable, and not just some rich Birkenstock-wearing trust baby’s statement. Natural gas vehicles are gaining in prominence as well. The oil mafia is getting the message.” —Eccl 10:2

Amen to that! I would love it if we were less dependent on oil. It would devastate some of our biggest foreign rivals like Iran and Russia and we wouldn't have to be so involved in the Middle East in the future.

“Until, they can get charging time down they are not viable, merely, feasible. The idea of changeable battery packs would require service station acres of storage space and enormous amounts of current.” —depressed in 06

“But to someone less well-heeled who is looking for cost effective transportation they have a long, long way to go.” —Iron Munro

Yea, the battery-swap idea seems like it would be really expensive to maintain. However, we can get 90% of the way there with a much cheaper solution: the Chevy Volt. Now I know it has gotten a lot of bad press but hear me out. After rebates (I know a lot of people don't like them, but they are a current reality nonetheless), here in Texas you can get a new Volt for $25,000. It allows you to go the first 40 miles every day on electricity and it also has a gasoline engine and a 340 mile gas tank if you need to go farther. Since 78% of Americans drive less than 40 miles round-trip on their daily commute,[1] most people will only use gas when they go visit grandma. Also, all the concerns about battery fires turned out to be baloney; after four years on the market, there have been a grand total of zero fires started by a Volt in the real world.

50 posted on 12/26/2014 6:02:30 AM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner

Thank God electricity is magic and doesn’t require fossil fuels or electric cars would be a bad joke.


51 posted on 12/26/2014 6:20:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: LogicDesigner

I have no problem with electric cars. People should be free to choose any option they want. I do care that electric cars are thought of as “more environmentally conscious” because they don’t use gasoline when the electricity that powers these cars comes (mostly) from burning coal or natural gas!


52 posted on 12/26/2014 6:33:24 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Ok I admit, I thought the lower gas price was just another election season gimmick...I was sure we’d be up to $4.00/gallon by now.


53 posted on 12/26/2014 6:40:52 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: Personal Responsibility; E. Pluribus Unum
“Thank God electricity is magic and doesn’t require fossil fuels or electric cars would be a bad joke.” —E. Pluribus Unum

“I do care that electric cars are thought of as ‘more environmentally conscious’ because they don’t use gasoline when the electricity that powers these cars comes (mostly) from burning coal or natural gas!” —Personal Responsibility

Natural gas is actually really clean compared to coal, and coal only makes up 39%. This means that around 60% comes from pretty clean sources.

From http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were

Coal 39%
Natural Gas 27%
Nuclear 19%
Hydropower 7%
Other Renewable 6% (Wind 4.13%, Biomass 1.48%, Geothermal 0.41%, Solar 0.23%)
Petroleum 1%
Other Gases < 1%



54 posted on 12/26/2014 8:01:22 AM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner

Combustion of natural gas still produces carbon dioxide. The global warming hoaxers don’t like carbon dioxide.


55 posted on 12/26/2014 8:09:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: NormsRevenge

FallIng crude oil prices are the enviro-nazis worst nightmare.


56 posted on 12/26/2014 8:12:20 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
“Combustion of natural gas still produces carbon dioxide. The global warming hoaxers don’t like carbon dioxide.”

It does, but its still produces a good bit less than gasoline. Here you can do a electricity vs gasoline comparison based on your zip code or look at the national average.

Regardless, I think EVs are great for the geopolitical benefits, the potential for cleaner air in big cities, and the cheap recharge costs.

57 posted on 12/26/2014 8:28:59 AM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner

The cheap recharge costs is because you circumvent the gas tax. That won’t last.


58 posted on 12/26/2014 8:31:09 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Nah, the gas tax is only 42¢ per gallon on average, mostly state tax. I haven't done the calculation since the recent drop in gas prices, but before that electricity was at least 60% cheaper than gasoline on a per-mile basis. If you added 42¢ per gallon equivalent to EV owners' bills, it would still cost around half as much (using older gas prices).

In places where you can get time-of-use electricity (nighttime discount), it is even cheaper. I have found that almost everyone I talk to has time-of-use electricity available in their area.

59 posted on 12/26/2014 9:20:04 AM PST by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner

I guess I, and about half my coworkers, are in the 22%.


60 posted on 12/26/2014 10:20:33 AM PST by Ingtar (Is this the Ebola and rumors of Ebola mentioned in the Bible?)
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