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Famous Today, Forgotten Tomorrow (We've forgotten Hope & Crosby. Will we forget the Beatles?)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Dec. 9, 2014 | Jim Fusilli

Posted on 12/18/2014 2:10:08 PM PST by presidio9

Tributes to two of the most famous American entertainers of the 20th century serve as a reminder of how fame flees. The entertainers are Bing Crosby and Bob Hope; the reminders are the documentary “American Masters: Bing Crosby Rediscovered,” which had its premiere last week (and will run again on Dec. 26 ) on PBS, and “Hope: Entertainer of the Century,” a new biography by Richard Zoglin. Neither Crosby nor Hope have much cachet with contemporary consumers of art and culture, but the accounts of their careers make convincing cases that their contributions still influence their respective fields, even if some in those fields may not know it.

Given Crosby’s skill and stature as a vocalist, the PBS documentary raises the question of how future generations will think of the musicians of the ’60s who advanced popular music in their time. Will the Beatles, Bob Dylan and Stevie Wonder be as marginalized, if not forgotten, as their significant predecessors?

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Thus, it would have been inconceivable in the mid-20th century that one day either man would be underappreciated or misunderstood. Few current-day music fans think of Bing Crosby as the man who invented the concept of the pop singer and elevated it to high art, swung with Louis Armstrong, and influenced Tony Bennett, Billie Holiday, Presley, Frank Sinatra and countless other vocalists and instrumentalists. In his time, Crosby was the pinnacle of popular music, but today he’s recalled primarily for his version of Irving Berlin’s “White Christmas.” As for Hope, -SNIP-

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bennett; billieholiday; bingcrosby; bobdylan; bobhope; burlives; elvispresley; franksinatra; popularmusic; redskelton; steviewonder; thebeatles
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1 posted on 12/18/2014 2:10:08 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

.....But with Christmas time being, all those old chestnuts are played again.


2 posted on 12/18/2014 2:11:57 PM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: presidio9
they've already forgotten Red Skeleton too.
3 posted on 12/18/2014 2:12:14 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: presidio9

Speak for yourselves.

But then, I was raised on old stuff so much It is my habit to enjoy it and explore on my own.


4 posted on 12/18/2014 2:13:13 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: presidio9

I can only hope the Beatles are brought down a notch.


5 posted on 12/18/2014 2:14:54 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: presidio9

One of the reasons people have been forgotten in the past is that their work was ephemeral. Now, you can go to YouTube and see Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, and Red Skelton. Even if they fall out of fashion for a while, there are always fans, and they could suddenly become well-known and popular again for a variety of reasons.

The Beatles records are still selling quite well, with many listeners among the millenials.


6 posted on 12/18/2014 2:15:05 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: SandRat

Its mostly a function of what Hollyweird and the enemedia wish to emphasize. Skeleton, Hope & Crosby: American patriots, baaaaad! Your latest drug addled leftwing whack-job celebrity, good.


7 posted on 12/18/2014 2:15:17 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: presidio9

The artists of the 30s, 40s and 50s are largely unknown to the current generation. I’m a child of the 60s and can’t say I am all that familiar with Hope, Crosby, Sinatra, et. al. I knew of them, but not with the body of their work. I knew Frank Sinatra had a wonderful ear for music and marvelous voice. He also liked his Scotch. But I only knew his most popular songs like “New York New York.”

The Beatles, on the other hand, seem to have some enduring qualities. We have a Beatles cover band play at the amphitheater across the road from us every year. It’s a packed house, lots of young people. and they know all the songs. Will this still be the case in 30 years? Who knows. Maybe not.


8 posted on 12/18/2014 2:15:26 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: presidio9

The who?


9 posted on 12/18/2014 2:16:50 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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It's amazing that with 500 channels they can't find some place to air the old classics now and then.
PBS only brings out the good stuff during begathon week.

10 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:04 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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Its funny that the WSJ would publish a nostalgic essay like this, given their constant lobbying for an endless supply of foreign labor.

The answer is no one but a dwindling, aging minority cares about the entertainers and artists that were once popular & influential in an America that no longer exists.

11 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:14 PM PST by skeeter
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To: henkster

Frank did not drink scotch he was a Jack Daniels Man.
Check all those guys out.


12 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:20 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: presidio9

Several of my friends (18-25) have no idea who Bob Hope or Bing Crosby are. Myself, I watched “White Christmas” with my kids last night and thought it was a beautiful movie. Nothing like that could be made in Hollywood today. The perverts in Hollywood would have the two male characters have ‘flaws’ to make them ‘human’ instead of making them role models to exemplify.


13 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:25 PM PST by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
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To: presidio9

I love Bing Crosby. I think his Christmas albums are my favorite to listen to during Christmas.


14 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:26 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, His precepts!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: proxy_user

....And at Christmas time, the music they do, Christmas music wise are classics.


15 posted on 12/18/2014 2:17:54 PM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
The who?

Different band.

16 posted on 12/18/2014 2:18:17 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: presidio9

Will we forget the beatles?

One can always hope!


17 posted on 12/18/2014 2:18:29 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The uniparty: celebrating over 150 years of oligarchy and political control!)
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To: presidio9

All the crooners are terrific. They will not be forgotten.

Beatles?

Probably.


18 posted on 12/18/2014 2:19:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: BitWielder1

What is needed a classic channel that would show all sorts of stuff that a new generation might like.
Right now they could have a special Christmas channel and show all those Christmas Specials the stars would do back then. Man what a hoot that would be and I would watch them.


19 posted on 12/18/2014 2:19:25 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: MIchaelTArchangel; dfwgator
The who?

Yes, also one of my favorite groups.

20 posted on 12/18/2014 2:19:47 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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