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NAZI OFFENSIVE PIERCES FIRST ARMY LINES; CHUTISTS AND LUFTWAFFE SUPPORT PUSH (12/18/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 12/18/44 | Drew Middleton, Harold Denny, Milton Bracker, Raymond Daniell, Frank L. Kluckhohn, Tillman Durdin

Posted on 12/18/2014 4:24:50 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: history; milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: BroJoeK

Not paratroopers, maybe an artillery unit trying to bug out.


41 posted on 12/18/2014 1:17:59 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK
Next thing you know, I'll be telling you that the Soviets staged photos for propaganda purposes! I just can't be trusted.

Not only did Goebbels get his propaganda, he gave future military history buffs more footage to put under the microscope. There is a fair amount of information out there on the 'net about those particular stills, complete with with disagreement about the identity of the SS man who is holding the Browning P-35 in at least one photo.

Mr. niteowl77

42 posted on 12/18/2014 1:27:02 PM PST by niteowl77 (The five stages of Progressive persuasion: lecture, nudge, shove, arrest, liquidate.)
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To: Tax-chick

I nominate the “attack to the rear” campaign of the Chosin Reservoir in Korea.


43 posted on 12/18/2014 1:32:55 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: BroJoeK; niteowl77

Somehow I don’t think that Kampfgruppe Hansen staged the photos of the murdered Belgians or American POWs.


44 posted on 12/18/2014 1:35:56 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: dfwgator

Of all the Band of Brothers episodes, the Battle of the Bulge seen through the eyes of the combat medic was the one that disturbed me the most.


45 posted on 12/18/2014 1:37:42 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: alfa6; Homer_J_Simpson

Just wait till next year when those Nip tanks get to meet T34/85s in Manchuria.


46 posted on 12/18/2014 1:42:40 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Tax-chick
Somewhere, I read an analysis that said that, when the first day’s objectives weren’t all achieved, there was virtually no chance of the attack’s turning the course of the war.

That's more accurate.

While the movie "Battle of the Bulge" was one of the most awful war movies ever made (solidly in the bottom 5), the one thing I did like about the movie was the "clock" the Germans had to run their operation, and how they were constantly behind schedule.

Other than that, the movie stunk like a wet goat.

47 posted on 12/18/2014 1:48:27 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

It had a good cast, though.


48 posted on 12/18/2014 1:59:06 PM PST by Tax-chick (Un molino, la vida nos tritura con dolor.)
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To: Tax-chick

Fonda, Bronson, Ryan, Savalas, Shaw...It was a waste of a good cast.


49 posted on 12/18/2014 2:02:34 PM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

And Ricardo Montalban, quien era mas macho.


50 posted on 12/18/2014 3:20:35 PM PST by Tax-chick (Un molino, la vida nos tritura con dolor.)
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To: Tax-chick

Khan Noonien Singh was in “Battleground” the good Battle of the Bulge movie.


51 posted on 12/18/2014 5:09:57 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Agreed. For its time “Battleground” was a great picture. Who was Khan Noonien Singh? I looked for the name at imdb.com but didn’t see it.


52 posted on 12/18/2014 5:25:52 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The character played by Ricardo Montalban in a 1960s “Star Trek” episode, and then in a movie, “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.”

Did I mention he was mas macho? I took Spanish all through high school and college, and we often watched documentaries that he had narrated. I could listen to him read the phone book for hours, but listening to him talk about Southwestern folk art was even better.


53 posted on 12/18/2014 5:36:35 PM PST by Tax-chick (Un molino, la vida nos tritura con dolor.)
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To: Tax-chick; GreenLanternCorps
The character played by Ricardo Montalban in a 1960s “Star Trek” episode, and then in a movie, “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.”

You got me. I should have searched on the name and not just scanned the entire cast of "Battleground."

As I recall the studio was reluctant to make the movie in 1949, figuring the public was about warred out. It succeeded at the box office nonetheless. It had an air of being made by men who had personal knowledge of service in the war. Little things like the truckload of paratroopers saying with sarcastic relish "you found a hooome in the army".

54 posted on 12/18/2014 6:02:17 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
and not just scanned the entire cast of "Battleground."

LOL!

55 posted on 12/18/2014 6:03:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (Un molino, la vida nos tritura con dolor.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick

That’s what I get for posting on my iPhone from my niece’s High School basketball game. Lousy connection and I could not remember how to spell “Montalban”...

BTW, he was a conservative too...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/175745/r-i-p/kathryn-jean-lopez


56 posted on 12/19/2014 5:34:31 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick


57 posted on 12/19/2014 5:41:35 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Tax-chick; dfwgator; Homer_J_Simpson; BroJoeK; henkster; Vermont Lt

Germany’s version of Market-Garden - “A Bridge Too Far”?

The German generals thought so but, as Alfred Jodl was quoted, “I am not prepared to dispute the Fuehrer.”


58 posted on 12/19/2014 9:31:51 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Tax-chick; dfwgator; colorado tanker; BroJoeK; henkster; Vermont Lt

Speaking of “Kraut tanks”, anybody know how many of those fearsome Tiger II tanks were deployed in this offensive? I read these tanks were brutal but such gas guzzlers that they couldn’t supply them with enough gas.


59 posted on 12/19/2014 9:39:11 AM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Tax-chick; Homer_J_Simpson

Star Trek Wrath of Khan was my first date with Mrs. Henkster. I knew then she was the one. Any girl who would go see a Star Trek movie is a keeper.


60 posted on 12/19/2014 9:56:26 AM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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