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Huge solar plant lags in early production
AP ^ | November 17, 2014

Posted on 11/17/2014 1:53:02 PM PST by don-o

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The largest solar power plant of its type in the world - once promoted as a turning point in green energy - isn't producing as much energy as planned.

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Plants owners said they are learning on the fly to some extent.

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To: UCANSEE2
Lol.

And it is free energy if you don't count the 1.6 Billion to build it and the 20 billion or so to maintain over the next few years. :)

41 posted on 11/17/2014 2:59:35 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: don-o

About 3 decades back in the wild-eyed days of space exploitation, there was the concept of solar power satellites which were envisioned as large solar photovoltaics in orbit that would beam power down to earth as microwaves that would be easily converted back to electricity. Given the ability to build enormous structures in orbit, even the low-efficiency of 1980s tech were seen as potentially profitable.

Horrified environmentalists looked at these plans and decried the potential for bird kills over the microwave rectenna farms. Hmmm ... Wind generators and now this solar farm get a pass. Why?


42 posted on 11/17/2014 3:00:05 PM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: don-o

Once again, the Earth does what it wants to, and we are just along for the ride!


43 posted on 11/17/2014 3:00:43 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, if the paint was sandblasted to the metal at least there would be minimal prep work for the boys at Earl Scheib.

CC


44 posted on 11/17/2014 3:08:33 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (stercus accidit)
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To: Steely Tom

Okay, so what are they promising now... after the array is in full production. And what happens if it never fulfills its promises?

And who gets fired if it fails to meet projection?


45 posted on 11/17/2014 3:10:33 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Celtic Conservative

Oh you can bet Earl painted lotsa cars that week for $39.95...or was it $19.95 in the 70s?


46 posted on 11/17/2014 3:10:39 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Feet to the fire folks. YOU PROMISED!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Probably $19.95 before peanut boys “stagflation” hit our economy upside the head.

CC


47 posted on 11/17/2014 3:13:42 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (stercus accidit)
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To: don-o

With the new mini-ice age coming just a couple of really good volcanic eruptions will put these stupid “solar energy plants” completely offline.

we better start mining a whole lot of coal.


48 posted on 11/17/2014 3:16:28 PM PST by Gasshog (DemoKKKrats: Leaders of the Free Stuff World)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I actually had a Schieb paint job once. The .95 partwas right. The $$$ part was off by a lot though. And it was horrid. ;)

I just wanted something other than primer and rust. Shoulda kept the rust.


49 posted on 11/17/2014 3:16:53 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Feet to the fire folks. YOU PROMISED!)
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To: mrsmith

Courtesy of Kennedy family hucksters who worked PR for this latest leftist fiassco.. Brightsource comes to mind.


50 posted on 11/17/2014 3:23:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: don-o

Speaking. Of ‘on the fly’ projects, global geoengineering rears its ugly head here, chemtrails, lolol, we see trails of crap sprayed here all the time, took pics in major cities in Asia as well, another global warming program shot to heck as one “Cure” overrides another envisioned panacea..

Life is a risky scheme as is, having noodle heads like this in charge, makes it even more so.


51 posted on 11/17/2014 3:27:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: dhs12345

Now wait a minute. If global warming is so out of control, as they say it is, they should be frying asteroids flying by.


52 posted on 11/17/2014 3:30:15 PM PST by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: don-o
Another $1.6 billion of our federal money put up for "on the fly" projects.

Yeah, just like the 'shovel ready' deals we've already been through.

When this first came up, it sounded like it was thought out in a third year engineering dorm room over more than a few bong hits and Led Zep blasting out of the stereo. Kids who's only real worry is 'When will the pizza be here' , coming up with a fully baked idea for 'free power'.

"Dontcha see man? Free juice for everyone, cause the sun shines, like, every day!"

The mundane details, like how to keep the mirrors clean, or how to deal with clouds or contrails(?), were left to the few grownups in on the plan. Unfortunately, the grownups were too concerned with how to keep the money in their pockets, and not too much how to make the plant work.

Hence, the 'On the fly" aspect of this plant.

And truly, did anyone expect more?

53 posted on 11/17/2014 3:36:32 PM PST by Wingy
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To: Celtic Conservative

I’ll paint ANY car for 99.99


54 posted on 11/17/2014 3:38:41 PM PST by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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To: don-o
"A little bit of inefficiency with mirrors can translate into a loss of power output ranging from small to significant, said Dr. Neil Fromer, executive director of the Resnick Sustainability Institute at the California Institute of Technology.

Problems could include getting the thousands of mirrors pointed in precisely the right direction, especially in the cool early morning, or keeping them clean in the dusty Mojave Desert.

Operators initially expected to need steam from gas-powered boilers for an hour a day during startup. After operations began, they found they needed to keep boilers running more than four times longer - an average of 4 1/2 hours a day."

Glenn Beck recently did a piece on his effort to make his home self sufficient and renewable. He said that after a lot of research he hired the highest rated contractors, and basically told them that money was no object when it came to materials and technology - and that if the home project was successful he was going to retrofit his entire broadcast and film production studio with solar generation.

The result was a flop. HE now says everything he bought is ready for recycle and that scientists have told him the solar industry is about five years away from becoming viable.

IN OTHER WORDS - everything the solar hucksters and the power companies and the PUDs are telling the public is nothing more than Obama droppings. The public is being Grubered!

55 posted on 11/17/2014 3:57:07 PM PST by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: mythenjoseph

...and it’ll look like sh*t, but what the heck, you only paid $99.99!

C


56 posted on 11/17/2014 4:11:38 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (stercus accidit)
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To: Wingy

Haste makes waste.


57 posted on 11/17/2014 10:29:51 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: don-o

excerpt from article: “Holland said the company always expected a ramp-up period of four years to reach maximum output.”

Let’s put this in perspective. People need power. Here is a new plant that at its worst burns natural gas (MUCH cleaner than coal) for a whole 4.5 hours a day instead of 24 hours a day. The rest of the time it is using free fuel. And it is doing so while weather conditions have been breaking hundred years records.

That is such a horrible idea to have an extra super clean new power plant.


58 posted on 11/18/2014 4:14:45 AM PST by Prophet2520
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To: Celtic Conservative
Well, if the paint was sandblasted to the metal at least there would be minimal prep work for the boys at Earl Scheib.

"We'll paint any car any color for $29.95"

You must be as old as I am.

59 posted on 11/18/2014 8:41:11 AM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: dearolddad

Old enough to remember the ads anyway.

CC


60 posted on 11/18/2014 9:47:23 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (stercus accidit)
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