[Carry_Okie]

To me, there is a big difference between abortion and forced sterilization. In the latter case, as decided by a judge or jury, it is deprivation of a liberty, true, but it is not killing anybody. There really are people out there who should not have kids. Some have simple genetic problems. (my wife deals with them in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit) but there really are people out there bearing kids with no intention of caring for them and every intention of continuing behavior during pregnancy guaranteed to produce a kid with big and lifelong problems that fall on everyone and deprive other kids of resources they do need, and they do it repeatedly. Then there are the sickos: for example, I do know of cases in which two people with cystic fibrosis got married and decided to have kids so that they could ‘share’ the experience of raising kids with CF. To me, this kind of selfishness, these kinds of pregnancies, are akin to child abuse, never mind the raiding of the public treasury for personal pleasure for which a remedy, albeit unpleasant, exists. Under the circumstances, all of the options are unpleasant and non-ideal. To me, forced sterilization with appropriate due process of law is the least damaging.

[MrEdd]

As I get older the difference I see is that the advocates for one need to be slid through a wood chipper into a pig trough, where as the advocates for the other need to be drenched in napalm and catapulted into a blast furnace.

[wagglebee]

To me, there is a big difference between abortion and forced sterilization.

Yes, one is barbaric and terminates a life, while the other is barbaric and eliminates all possibility of life.

In the latter case, as decided by a judge or jury, it is deprivation of a liberty, true, but it is not killing anybody.

and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,

It kills future generations.

There really are people out there who should not have kids.

Sounds familiar:

Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies… and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit…
Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.
-- Margaret Sanger, "America Needs a Code for Babies"

Some have simple genetic problems. (my wife deals with them in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit) but there really are people out there bearing kids with no intention of caring for them and every intention of continuing behavior during pregnancy guaranteed to produce a kid with big and lifelong problems that fall on everyone and deprive other kids of resources they do need, and they do it repeatedly. Then there are the sickos: for example, I do know of cases in which two people with cystic fibrosis got married and decided to have kids so that they could ‘share’ the experience of raising kids with CF.

Again, very familiar:

[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
-- Margaret Sanger

To me, this kind of selfishness, these kinds of pregnancies, are akin to child abuse, never mind the raiding of the public treasury for personal pleasure for which a remedy, albeit unpleasant, exists.

I see, they're stealing money from the "collective" is that right? Again, not a new idea, just a twisted and barbaric one.

“This person suffering from hereditary defects

costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.

People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.”

Under the circumstances, all of the options are unpleasant and non-ideal. To me, forced sterilization with appropriate due process of law is the least damaging.

So, you believe that the Constitution allows for taking life and liberty WITHOUT ANY CRIME BEING COMMITTED so long as there is due process? What twisted group did you get this idea from?

[BykrBayb]

(my wife deals with them in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit)

It's comforting to know that you don't take enough interest in your wife's work to know that NICU stands for Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. I hope that means you have nothing in common with her. It would be tragic for children in NICU to have any contact with someone who views them as diseases who should have been prevented.

I can't believe you could think your genocidal views on eugenics would gain any acceptance here. How did you ever come to entertain such thoughts, much less embrace them?

[Chickensoup]

Boy I work with some of the most sad cases and I do agree. there are people that need to be sterilized because people who have no ability to judge or care for other humans are having babies. There is no restraint. Think mentally retarded and severely mentally ill.

Also do we really need a plethora of sociopaths? Our prisons are filled with low IQ sociopaths. Sociopathy has in some studies, a 50% genetic inheritance possibility. Why make more prisoners?