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Obamacare's Foundation of Lies (Liberals waking up)
National Journal ^ | 11/12/14 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 11/12/2014 9:58:09 AM PST by jalisco555

A lie is apolitical, or at least it should be. If there is one thing that unites clear-headed Americans, it's a belief that our leaders must be transparent and honest.

And yet, there seem to be two types of lies in our political discourse: Those that hurt "my party" and "my policies"; and those that don't. We condemn the former and forgive the latter—cheapening the bond of trust that enables a society to progress.

This truism came to mind when I read a Washington Post story headlined, "Who Is Jonathon Gruber?" It was an important and workmanlike report on the Obamacare adviser who bragged about the political advantages of deceiving voters, whom Gruber called stupid.

"Those comments have struck a nerve on the right," wrote Jose A. DelReal (emphasis added), "with some of the law's critics pointing to Gruber's comments as evidence that the administration intentionally deceived the American public on the costs of the programs."

My first reaction was, "No! No! Not just on the right!" I strongly support bipartisan efforts to expand the availability of health coverage to the working poor, and bending the cost curve that threatens federal budgets for years to come. While I think President Obama and congressional Democrats helped contribute to the 2009 standoff over what became the Affordable Care Act, I've openly rooted for Obamacare's success. I've denounced the knee-jerk opposition from the GOP, a party that once embraced key elements of Obamacare. My ideology is amorphous; I am not "on the right."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; california; gruber; grubervideo; jonathangruber; lies; nancypelosi; obama; obamacare; obamacarelies; obamcare
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Another liberal mugged by reality.
1 posted on 11/12/2014 9:58:09 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555

“I’ve denounced the knee-jerk opposition from the GOP, a party that once embraced key elements of Obamacare.”

That’s you, Mitt Romney and the GOPe.


2 posted on 11/12/2014 10:00:06 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (I'M WITH CRUZ!)
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To: jalisco555

Bookmark


3 posted on 11/12/2014 10:02:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: jalisco555
Another liberal mugged by reality.

Or another 'rat fleeing a sinking ship.

4 posted on 11/12/2014 10:03:02 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: kosciusko51

Yup. It wasn’t him. It was the one armed man.


5 posted on 11/12/2014 10:03:59 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Feet to the fire folks. YOU PROMISED!)
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To: kosciusko51

Another libturd flushed down the political toilet.


6 posted on 11/12/2014 10:06:07 AM PST by Busko (One thing is certain, nothing is certain.)
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To: jalisco555

First You Tube link to MIT’s Herr Gruber bragging about lying to stupid American Voters about ObozoCare.

GRUBER: “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G790p0LcgbI

Second Video link to Gruber bragging about how stupid American voters are/were to pass ObozoCare.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/12/gruber-video-2-no-really-american-voters-are-stupid/


7 posted on 11/12/2014 10:09:28 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Democrats, who run America are too old, too rich, and too very/very white elitist losers!.)
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To: jalisco555

We warned from the outset this would not end well.

The revelations about Obamacare destroy what little trust Americans have left in Obama.

It makes the case for the repeal of the law easier.

But I don’t expect the cowardly lions called Republicans in Congress to have the courage to actually do it.

For want of men of courage, the country will continue to suffer.


8 posted on 11/12/2014 10:15:44 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Obama’s loss of credibility is an important reason the GOP won last week. And revelations like this go beyond Obamacare. Who will believe whatever rationalization he comes up with for Executive Amnesty?


9 posted on 11/12/2014 10:18:56 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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Yeah, its going to be the second video that's going to hurt. They can try to dismiss is as misspoken once, but twice saying the same thing you can't.

I don't believe for a minute that it was misspoken even once. The deceit is so evident in the administrations current take on the recent court case (that the law as written so it can't be interpreted that way??).

IMHO, the dam has burst with the last election and the mainstream press has to come to earth or die. Spinning for Obama is just not going to work out any more. It hurts Hillary.

10 posted on 11/12/2014 10:22:28 AM PST by sr4402
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To: jalisco555

The GOP won but not conservatism.

You don’t really believe the GOP elite has any intention of doing anything conservative next year do you?

Then I have an Obamacare repeal bill to sell you.


11 posted on 11/12/2014 10:23:29 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jalisco555
Those that hurt "my party" and "my policies"; and those that don't. We condemn the former and forgive the latter.

This is true not just of politics, and it's not one-sided; it is pervasive, affecting every corner of society, top to bottom.

12 posted on 11/12/2014 10:23:50 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: jalisco555

Ron Fournier puts out one of these halfway sane pieces on Obamamugabe every seven months or so...just so he can point in the future to a “time when I spoke truth to power”....

I doubt he is really turning over a new leaf.


13 posted on 11/12/2014 10:24:59 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: sr4402
"IMHO, the dam has burst with the last election and the mainstream press has to come to earth or die. Spinning for Obama is just not going to work out any more. It hurts Hillary."

Lets hope the MSM dies off and leaves us.

If the super rich elite and old white rats didn’t own and control ABCNNBCBS and the NY and LA Slimes, the Compost and other fish wraps, the Rat party would have died off a long time ago.


14 posted on 11/12/2014 10:27:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Democrats, who run America are too old, too rich, and too very/very white elitist losers!.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ron Fournier is EXACTLY the stupid American that Gruber was product of deceiving.


15 posted on 11/12/2014 10:28:04 AM PST by MNDude
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To: SoFloFreeper
I doubt he is really turning over a new leaf.

I dunno, there have to be some leftists who are just sick of being lied to.

16 posted on 11/12/2014 10:29:18 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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looks like another Gruber going down


17 posted on 11/12/2014 10:32:18 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%i)
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Don't let FR fade away!

18 posted on 11/12/2014 10:36:37 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: jalisco555

Sorry, Ron

Your party’s last President taught his party and most of the country that it was actually COOL to lie.


19 posted on 11/12/2014 10:36:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kosciusko51

What is,John Roberts going to do when Gruber one of the architects of Obamacare admits in this video since Gruber is a party in the Supreme court case,that giving subsidies in federal exchanges is ILLEGAl!


20 posted on 11/12/2014 10:36:47 AM PST by ballplayer
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