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To: palmer; Morpheus2009; Arthur Wildfire! March; Smokin' Joe

You have to keep in mind the biology of the virus itself.

Going to a gravesite and trying to recover viable virus might not work. One paper said that bodies of dead animals found in the African forest were not contagious after 3 or 4 days. I have a microbiologist friend who studied the kinetics of viral inactivation in dead bodies; she does not think that any virus would remain viable after about 2 hours, due to pH changes and so forth in the decomposing body.

Then there is the question of whether terrorists would be able to transport a virus even if they managed to collect a viable sample. Typically, researchers who want to transport a viable virus for research purposes take measures to ensure the virus survives shipment. I will not discuss those measures here.

A terrorist’s ability to smuggle in virus-contaminated material through customs is questionable. Their ability to smuggle in such material and maintain virus viability is even more questionable.

As I have told Smokin’ Joe in the past, I do not care to discuss possible terrorism scenarios. But I will discuss virus biology, and say that possible terrorist use is NOT the aspect of Ebola that keeps me up at night.


36 posted on 10/06/2014 4:43:46 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom
Typically, researchers who want to transport a viable virus for research purposes take measures to ensure the virus survives shipment. I will not discuss those measures here.

Dry ice typically. But saline solution works too and terrorists can easily do that. And yes, I will discuss anything here that I need to to point out your biases.

39 posted on 10/06/2014 4:58:24 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: exDemMom

“I do not care to discuss possible terrorism scenarios.”

God bless you for bringing your expertise — very helpeful, but terrorism is something I understand, and that’s what this thread is about.

I hope that by now there’s no need for me to even explain how it’s possible, easy, requires no imagination, etc.


42 posted on 10/06/2014 5:29:09 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Ebol-ee will collapse the system." Is that what President Ebola is thinking?)
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To: exDemMom

Fair enough, incompetence of our own government is a more immediate threat. It’s demonstrated in cases such as Duncan that some fool or desperate individual could either bring it in desperate for treatment or unknowingly.


43 posted on 10/06/2014 5:31:51 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: exDemMom
I have a microbiologist friend who studied the kinetics of viral inactivation in dead bodies; she does not think that any virus would remain viable after about 2 hours, due to pH changes and so forth in the decomposing body.

I wouldn't stake my life on that. Ebola Tai Forrest (Cote d'Ivorie) was discovered when researchers became infected during a necropsy on a dead chimp discovered there. While I have not been able to find information on how fresh the corpse was--if such information exists, that any virus present had been present more than two hours after death is entirely possible.

58 posted on 10/06/2014 7:15:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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