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Investment & Finance Thread TOTAL Market Crash Wrap-up
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Oct. 5, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 10/05/2014 12:26:47 PM PDT by expat_panama

 

Investment & Finance Thread TOTAL Market Crash Wrap-up

Jeesh!  The bond bubble, just popped (Bond market may be more fragile than you think),stocks'n'metals are in the terlet, all while unemployment plunges below the big 6!   Big deal.  This so-called 'recovery' may be a boom time for all the elites on Main Street but those of us middle class working stiffs on Wall Street know better. 

 

On Friday's gold and silver punched new lows and now weekend trading's putting them clearly into prices from four years ago.

 

 

As for stock indexes we got IBD announcing Thursday that stock trends are now pegged "market in correction". Some how my inner 'wise-ass' wants to say this means it's time to buy back in, but past track records aside IBD's always been up front that the "market under pressure" is the yellow traffic light.  Some drivers hit the gas when the light turns yellow but I'd rather slow down...

 

Bottom line though is I plan to watch this "red light" with a bit more enthusiasm than before.

 

 

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; stockmarket; wallstreet
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1 posted on 10/05/2014 12:26:47 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...

Yo!

2 posted on 10/05/2014 12:28:45 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

so buy US stocks or sell US stocks right now?


3 posted on 10/05/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: expat_panama

In my experience when the market makes a “saw-tooth” pattern (big up days followed by big down days, repeatedly) it is time to sell. Adding to that is the strong dollar which will hurt the earnings of the multi-nationals.


4 posted on 10/05/2014 12:36:10 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: SteveH

I wonder how the mid-term elections will affect the market.


5 posted on 10/05/2014 12:37:29 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Take a look at my FR home page for Colorado outdoor photos!)
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To: MtnClimber

I suspect that the elections are already factored into the market. “Buy on the rumor, sell on the news.”


6 posted on 10/05/2014 12:39:18 PM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: expat_panama

But wait.... we were suppose to buy gold and silver as a hedge against over valued equities?


7 posted on 10/05/2014 12:40:33 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: expat_panama

Link does not work


8 posted on 10/05/2014 12:42:22 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Kenny500c

Did you run that deflationary scenario by Helicopter Ben first...? Oh, wait, he’s gone ... But Larry Blankfein’s still got our Black Cards , right?

/s


9 posted on 10/05/2014 1:21:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: expat_panama

Please add me to your ping list here.


10 posted on 10/05/2014 1:47:30 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: SteveH
so buy US stocks or sell US stocks right now?

You don't know either?  Dang!  Let's wait a bit; hopefully someone will show up who knows.  fwiw, I've unloaded 80% of my holdings over the past couple weeks.

11 posted on 10/05/2014 2:14:56 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Kenny500c
up days followed by big down days, repeatedly) it is time to sell.

That's my thinking too.  Market trends have signals and what we've been seeing for some time now are price trends that are short on stability.  That tells me it's an environment I'd need to step back from.

12 posted on 10/05/2014 2:18:27 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb; MtnClimber
the elections are already factored into the market.

Or maybe not.  Sometimes elections have surprises, we saw a dip after the '12 election --back in '48 the upset saw a plunge big time.  My personal guess is Nov. good news w/ a solid rally.  Hope I'm right...

13 posted on 10/05/2014 2:21:58 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: kjam22
buy gold and silver as a hedge against over valued equities?


14 posted on 10/05/2014 2:23:54 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: tired&retired

tx -—fixed!


15 posted on 10/05/2014 2:27:13 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: OldNewYork

done!


16 posted on 10/05/2014 2:29:10 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: kjam22

Gold and silver are a hedge against total economic collapse. Nice try though. You will be able to use your stock certificates and fiat currency for toilet paper.


17 posted on 10/05/2014 2:32:54 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: expat_panama
Hey expat, thanks for the thread. I continue to sit on the sidelines watching energy stocks getting beaten up, especially the drillers, and thinking that this can't last.

China's thirst and ME upheaval leads me to believe that $90 oil, or lower, is a temporary thing. Even so, I'll probably continue waiting and watching......for now.

18 posted on 10/05/2014 2:37:08 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: expat_panama
I'd just say what you said, but much more gently AND provide a reason or two why so.

Correct me if this contradicts your experience, Pete, but it is my considered view that if a product/commodity/shares/investment vehicle (of whatever type) is actually ADVERTISED to the public, then the sane investor -- and even more so, the sane trader -- wants precisely NO part of the long side of what is being advertised.

A particularly vicious example of this you-don't-want-this-garbage philosophy was the presence of Tom Stolper on Goldman Sachs' currency trading desk up until last year. Would you believe that this clown (on orders from his masters, without doubt) issued 11 CONSECUTIVE EUR/USD TRADING RECCOS over 2 1/2 years...ALL of which were wrong; those who went opposite these reccos profited hugely (including, of course, Goldman).

Point is for the trader or investor, develop your own methods or stay the hell out of the mkt.

For my part, I'm trading ONLY spreads right now (have a new and conservative methodology in which you might have an interest, btw).

Good trading to you, and thanks for your efforts on these threads!

19 posted on 10/05/2014 2:44:18 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SVTCobra03
So you think you'll be able to go to Wal-Mart and spend your gold and silver when the economy collapses? Or go to 7-11 and buy gasoline for your car when the economy collapse? Or buy gasoline from some individual who has some when the economy collapses? Really? Gold and Silver will be what people want to barter for? Certainly Gold and Silver won't be worth currency if this article is correct?
20 posted on 10/05/2014 4:45:17 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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