Beavercreek Walmart surveillance tape shows shooting, 9-1-1 call (video)

Cleveland.com ^ | Sep 24, 2014 | Jeremy Pelzer

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

Editor's note: It is the general policy of Northeast Ohio Media Group not to show images of people being killed. We chose to publish this video because it addresses questions that have been raised about the behavior of the suspect and the police.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine released a surveillance video Wednesday showing John Crawford III being shot to death by police last month in a Dayton-area Walmart.

DeWine's release of the video and 9-1-1 recording coincided with a Greene County grand jury finding that Beavercreek police were justified in shooting the 22-year-old man, whom they believed was armed with a rifle.

In the footage, Crawford is seen talking on a cell phone and waving what turned out to be an air rifle at the end of a store aisle. Police arrived after a 9-1-1 caller reported that a man was waving around a gun and pointing it at people.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

There’s a lot of give and take here on FR. Are you telling me that suddenly isn’t allowed?

[Religion Moderator]

Give and take is one thing, making trouble is another - it leads to flame wars and makes the whole thread about the ones flaming each other. So, chill and let everyone be heard.

[martinidon]

but not as powerful as an assault rifle. My basic point was it did not matter if it was a toy gun, bb gun, pellet gun or air rifle, the Police based there actions on the information provided by the 911 caller. It was wrong, but you can't fault the Police on the actions they took.

[Eagles6]

I agree. I checked out my Walmart today. Same setup as this. Tools from hardware, I could have a fully loaded AR in 2 mins.

[exhaustguy]

Take a look at this image. Would the police be justified in shooting him with a drop gun and almost immediate shot which is what appeared to happen when you listen to the synced 911 tape and the video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/guns-kroger_n_5683023.html

[exhaustguy]

So we can SWAT this guy.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/guns-hunting/1962760-starbucks-open-carry-guy-spot-4.html

How about the one on the right

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usacarry.com%2Fforums%2Fopen-carry-discussion%2F45014-nra-says-open-carry-texas-demonstrations-downright-scary.html&h=0&w=0&tbnid=PV32zRCSBvTc9M&zoom=1&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&docid=HHh-yZnAjb93zM&tbm=isch&ei=HPwkVPHHHseg8QGTnIGQBQ&ved=0CAcQsCUoAQ

In the picture of the two men in gray, how about the one on the right.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/guns-target-store-open-carry-texas

How about the blonde

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q3V_lrchrLE/0.jpg

So what do you do when you have a rifle slung at your chest when an officer of the law commands you to drop it? He gives you one second to comply.

[martinidon]

This really can’t be compared to this situation because someone did not call 911 and claim this guy was waving a rifle around and pointing it at children. And for what it’s worth this guy and people like him give the second amendment supporters a bad rap, I have a concealed carry permit and a safe full of guns, rifles and shotguns but i prefer to keep my weapons concealed. Plus it really doesn’t help the cause parading guns and rifles out in public to make a statement and it just might get you killed!

[martinidon]

IMO, they are all dumb-asses. What are you going to prove walking into a Starbucks to get coffee holding an AR 15? I can tell you right now if I am in a Starbucks and some guy walks in with an AR 15, I am not going to feel uncomfortable. I don't know if he is making a political statement or he is some whack job that is waiting for.the right time to start spraying bullets everywhere. Again, these people are NOT helping the cause. They just make it worse and put companies in a no win situation. If these people want to walk into stores with a holster sidearm they probably don't get much notice. But walking in with an AR 15 or other type assault rifle into a coffee shop or grocery store it makes people uncomfortable and that is not right.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

So, your still offering no opinion, while offering and opinion?

Or did you watch the video?

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

I found this interesting: Doubt

Williams was the officer behind the only other fatal police shooting in Beavercreek...

Two fatal shootings in Beavercreek's history, and this guy did both?

[Eagles6]

Go away.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

The video is pretty conclusive, IMHO. Give it a gander. It will provide context to some of the points you are trying to counter.

[Eagles6]

You’ve already been warned. Please desist.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

No.

[Admin Moderator]

KNOCK IT OFF!