Most people do not connect the historical dots back to the Bataan Death March and the Einsatzgruppen
ISIS is not "the worst ever" just because Tojo didn't have a Twitter account and Eichmann wasn't on Facebook.
Posted on 09/14/2014 8:37:10 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
Is it possible to justify any further Muslim immigration to the West, given the horrors that Isis has perpetrated? If Moderate Muslim nations exist, why are they not speaking out against the killings of Christians and other religious minorities?
How can you explain the fact that highly Westernized Muslims with British and American accents, who have received the best Western education available, are abandoning the West and joining Isis?
Isis is not the problem - Islam is the problem. Yesterday it was Al Qaeda, today it is Isis. Tommorrow, the enemies of Christians will come up with another name. But they will be Muslims who are inspired by the teachings of the Quran.
“No, the combined Saudi-Pakistani attack on New York should have ended Muslim immigration AND should have cancelled all green cards and visas held by Muslims.”
“In addition to several other OBVIOUS measures, none of which happened.”
And before my fellow FReepers rip me to shreds for trying to define moderates, please know that I agree 120% with what Jim Noble says. I live close enough to NYC that I could smell the fire on the day after 9/11. Greasy smell, like meat burning on the barbecue. I know it was human beings and I still well up just thinking about it. People in my town got killed, including a young man on my street who was an only child (his mother is one of the Jersey Girls).
So I hear this loud & clear, and agree that all Muslim immigration should have been stopped after 9/11. Not all Muslims are bad, but it’s the only way to stay safe.
All it takes to solve the moslem problem in America is a leader with balls.
There are a lot of “problems” that can only be solved by “innovative” solutions that involve destroying the American left and rendering it incapable of recovery.
That isn’t accomplished via Congress or the Courts.
It can only be done by a right wing strongman.
They hated us long before there were drones.
So right. Most people do not connect the historical dots back to Abraham who also was Gods root for the Christians.
Since the beginning of Islam, not a single country conquered and enslaved by Muslims is better off than before the Muslims showed up. Islam is inherently evil, destroying counties, civilizations, and individuals. Nothing good will ever come from it. Why pretend it is ever going to be different? Islam at the very best it gets is undesirable.
Most people do not connect the historical dots back to the Bataan Death March and the Einsatzgruppen
ISIS is not "the worst ever" just because Tojo didn't have a Twitter account and Eichmann wasn't on Facebook.
Permit Muslim immigration when they permit churches in Riyadh.
F*** that. When Pope Francis celebrates mass in he cathedral of Our Lady of Arabia in f***ing MECCA, then we can consider it.
The only option for national survival is to send them all back to where their parents came from.
If any of our leaders think that this is an impossible alternative, they have already acceded to defeat.
They should understand that there is NO WAY that the West can live and survive with muslims in its midst — Islam has NO INTENTION to integrate, ever.
The West should never have permitted any Mohammedan immigration. The lessons should have been learned long before the Siege of Vienna. Ending immigration now is totally insufficient. Expulsion is very much necessary if the West is to survive into a future that is not mostly semi arid sheep grazing lands.
Unfortunately it is too long to be a tagline. It should, however, be at the head of the FR page in bold.
Islam and Communism are very much the same thing. Only the notion of God is different. The State is the God of Communists. Allah’s stand-in is the Islamic State.
Yup.
But Abraham had no business messing around with that slave girl in spite of what Sarah told him.
Acts have consequences.
There should be beheaded heads at the feet of the ISIS statue for the cartoon to be correct.
Yeah old Abram made US and the world pay dearly for his unfaithfulness, or should we rather blame “old” Sarai???
YES! just wait until no mall, no city is safe from attack—wait til Americans kidnapped from their homes are decapitated on YouTube. Maybe some Movie Stars, political leaders, and churchmen are murdered. Obama would toss in the towel and pay off IS.
“Imagine having to even ask that question. Wow.”
No kidding. Need the bear pooping in the woods picture.
Not only should we quit immigrating mudslimes. We should start exporting them.
OTRANTO - MASSACRE OF CHRISTIANS BY MUSLIMS
OBAMA: ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE
THE REAL FACE OF ISLAM
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
800 Italians Men Beheaded in Otranto in 1480 for Refusing Islam, by the Turks, with the Approval of Sultan Mehmet II
On August 14, 1480, a massacre happened on a hill outside the city of Otranto, in southern Italy, here 800 of the town’s men were taken to a place called the Hill of the Minerva, and, one by one, beheaded in full view of their fellow prisoners. It became known as the Hill of the Martyrs. They died because they refused to convert to Islam. The 800 men of Otranto were martyrs. But due to their sacrifice, however, the Ottoman invasion was slowed and Rome was spared the same fate that had befallen Constantinople only 27 years before.
The city of Constantinople had been taken in 1453 and for 3 days its people were made slaves or killed or raped and the city was looted, all with the permission of the Sultan, Mehmet (Muhammad) II,who was then 21.Mehmet is the Turkish way of saying Muhammad.
The people of Otranto knew of the siege of Constantinople and that when that city fell the Muslims pillaged the city, but the key moment came when they reached Hagia Sophia.
After breaking down the church’s bronze gates, they found inside a huge throng of Byzantines who had taken refuge and who were praying that the city might be delivered by some miracle. The Christians were seized and separated according to age and gender. The infants and elderly were brutally murdered; the men, including some of the city’s most prominent senators, were carted off to the slave markets; and the women and girls were taken by soldiers to be raped or sent into a life of slavery.
At Otranto, the terms of the Muslims were ostensibly generous. If the town surrendered, the defenders would be permitted to live. They said no, it was repeated and again it was no. It was the city against 18,000 Muslims and it lasted 2 weeks.
Slaughter, Sacrilege, and Slavery
Turkish troops entered and killed anyone in their path. They made their way to the cathedral. As in the Hagia Sophia, the invaders found the church filled with people praying with Archbishop Stefano Agricoli, Bishop Stephen Pendinelli, and Count Largo, the commander of the soldiers. The Ottomans commanded:
1.The archbishop to throw away his crucifix, abjure the Christian faith, and embrace Islam. When he refused, his head was cut off before the weeping congregation.
2.Bishop Pendinelli and Count Largo likewise would not convert and were also put to death, reportedly by being slowly sawed in half.
3.As was the custom, the priests were murdered and the cathedral was stripped of all Christian symbols and turned into a stable for the horses. The Ottomans then gathered up the surviving people of Otranto and took them as captives.
The people of Otranto faced the same end as the Christians of Constantinople. All of the men over the age of 50 were slaughtered; the women and children under the age of 15 were either slain or sent away to Albania to be slaves. According to some contemporary sources, the total number of dead was as high as 12,000, with another 5,000 pressed into slavery.
800 Men who Survived told to Convert to Islam or Die
The Muslim commander ordered the men of Otranto, 800 survivors of the battle, those who were not over 50 and had not been already killed in battle or later, or were not children and had not be killed or enslaved, to be brought before him. He gave them one chance to convert to Islam or die. To convince them, he instructed an Italian apostate priest named Giovanni to preach. The former priest called on the men of Otranto to abandon the Christian faith, and they would get many benefits.
One of the men of Otranto, a tailor named Antonio Primaldi (he is also named Antonio Pezzulla in some sources), came forward to speak to the survivors. He called out that he was ready to die for Christ a thousand times. He then added, according to the chronicler Giovanni Laggetto in the Historia della guerra di Otranto del 1480:
“My brothers, till today we have fought in defense of our country, to save our lives, and for our lords; now it is time that we fight to save our souls for our Lord, so that having died on the cross for us, it is good that we should die for him, standing firm and constant in the faith, and with this earthly death we will win eternal life and the glory of martyrs.”
At this, the men of Otranto cried out with one voice that they too were willing to die a thousand times for Christ.
The Execution
The next morning, August 14, the 800 prisoners were bound together with ropes. The victims repeated their pledge to be faithful to Christ, and the Ottomans chose the courageous Antonio Primaldi as the first to be executed.
The old tailor gave one final exhortation to his fellow prisoners and knelt before the executioner. The blade fell and decapitated him, but then, as the chronicler Saverio de Marco claimed in the Compendiosa istoria degli ottocento martiri otrantini (“The Brief History of the 800 Martyrs of Otranto”), the headless corpse stood back upright. The body supposedly proved unmovable, so it remained standing for the entire duration of the gruesome executions.
Stunned by this apparent miracle, one of the executioners converted on the spot and was immediately killed. The executioners then returned to their horrendous business. The bodies were placed into a mass grave, and the Turks prepared to begin their march to Rome.
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The topic of the history of Islam and Christians was explored by an authoritative specialist in Church history, monsignor Walter Brandmüller, president of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences.
“The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam concerns the crucial issue of understanding the human person. This is shown by the fact that many Islamic countries have not accepted the declaration of human rights promulgated by the United Nations in 1948, or have done so with the reservation of excluding the norms that conflict with Qur’anic law which means practically all of them.”
“If this characterization of Islam is destined to remain unchanged in the future, as it has been until now, the only possible outcome is a difficult coexistence with those who do not belong to the Muslim community: in an Islamic country, in fact, the non-Muslim must submit to the Islamic system, if he does not wish to live in a situation of substantial intolerance.”
“Likewise, on account of this all-embracing conception of religion and political authority, the Muslim will have great difficulty in adapting to the civil laws in non-Islamic countries, seeing them as something foreign to his upbringing and to the dictates of his religion. Perhaps one should ask oneself if the well-attested difficulties persons coming from the Islamic world have with integrating into the social and cultural life of the West are not explained in part by this problematic situation.”
“We must also recognize the natural right of every society to defend its own cultural, religious, and political identity. It seems to me that this is precisely what Pius V did.”
Islam is destined to remain unchanged in the future, as it has been until now, the only possible outcome is a difficult coexistence with those who do not belong to the Muslim community: in an Islamic country, in fact, the non-Muslim must submit to the Islamic system, if he does not wish to live in a situation of substantial intolerance.
Likewise, on account of this all-embracing conception of religion and political authority, the Muslim will have great difficulty in adapting to the civil laws in non-Islamic countries, seeing them as something foreign to his upbringing and to the dictates of his religion. Perhaps one should ask oneself if the well-attested difficulties persons coming from the Islamic world have with integrating into the social and cultural life of the West are not explained in part by this problematic situation.
We must also recognize the natural right of every society to defend its own cultural, religious, and political identity. It seems to me that this is precisely what Pius V did.
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