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Ukraine crisis: Putin hopes for peace deal by Friday
BBC News ^ | 9-3-2014 | BBC

Posted on 09/03/2014 1:21:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Edited on 09/03/2014 6:47:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he is hoping for a peace agreement to be reached between Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels by Friday.

Mr Putin urged both sides to stop military action in eastern Ukraine, adding that his views and those of his Ukrainian counterpart were very close.

Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko said they had agreed a "ceasefire process".

US President Barack Obama said he stood with Ukraine's people because they had a right to determine their own future.

Speaking in the Estonian capital Tallinn, Mr Obama also said Nato would guarantee the independence of the Baltic states.

"You've lost your independence once before, with Nato you'll never lose it again," he said.

A Nato summit opening in Wales on Thursday is expected to back plans for a rapid response force.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; civilwar; russianukrainianwar; terrorism; ukraine
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To: elhombrelibre

Pointing out the bad guy won is pointing out a fact of life.

Don’t blame me for Obama’s lack of red lines.


81 posted on 09/03/2014 3:52:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Getting erection at the same time is a different pair of shoes...


82 posted on 09/03/2014 4:03:00 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: All

Editor’s note: According to a readout from the Kremlin of a telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, the 2 leaders ‘expressed to a large extent similar views on possible ways out of the crisis’ between the countries. - Aaron


83 posted on 09/03/2014 4:38:23 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: goldstategop; elhombrelibre
Pointing out the bad guy won is pointing out a fact of life.

It gives us the chance to revisit history and change the outcome. Let's say Chanberlain comes back and declare peace in Europe in his time. The first thing we can do ratchet up the ridicule. This is the best weapon the Alinskyites have, and we have to use it too. There are far too few pictures of Obama clutching the shirtless Putin on horseback, perhaps because of the painful reminder of the man in the picture. I'm sure there were some cartoons of Chamberlain kissing up to Hitler back in the day, but too few as it turns out.

More important than ridicule, we have to defeat the defeatists. I am one of those or certainly I was, so you can start by convincing me. What does not convince me, an average American, is Ukrainian web sites written in broken English yammering about the Fascists. We can certainly do better than that. Rather than unbaked plans for arming the Ukrainians, I would like to see real strategies.

I would like to know how we team up with the right in Europe. We need to support UKIP and shun BNP for example. It was pointed out to me that Putin supports the anti-Semitic party in Hungary. Fine, now tell me how to develop a popular anti-Putin party in Hungary. I assume the Euro-socialist elite are pro-Putin.

As an aside, I would also like to know how to stop the Muslim takeover of Europe. To simply claim Putin is part of a Muslim alliance of evil is quite naive and ahistorical.

84 posted on 09/03/2014 4:38:33 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: sunmars
Yes, my positions are like Churchill's. Yours are like Machiavelli, Darwin, and Nitche. Your type of realism calls the will to power and might makes right. You may be merely "looking at the situation on the ground," but your conclusions show you approve.

I do believe the charter of FreeRepublic is that this is a pro-US, Judeao/Christian, conservative site. So get a grip. Try to understand the values of the site and avoid asking me to go AWOL.

85 posted on 09/03/2014 4:49:21 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: fatima
PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h #Kiev retracts 'permanent' #ceasefire statement.
86 posted on 09/03/2014 4:52:29 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: tcrlaf

With the cease fire declared in Ukraine, bert’s analysis might just be proving to be accurate.

By creating a hassle in Ukraine, Putin set up a win win fork gambit. Obama and the EU leaders will take credit for the sanctions and harsh words driving Vlad away from the Ukraine.

Mean while, lost in the shuffle, Vlad maintains total control over the Crimea. Crimea was Vlad’s real objective.

Thus there is a win win situation. The hapless Obama and the leaders in the EU can claim victory over the Russian. The Russian can keep smugly quiet as he tucks Crimea back under the skirts of Mother Russia.

It has been said that Putin is a chessmaster while poor ol’ Barack has strategy trouble at the checker board. It turns out to be true, to mix a metaphor, in spades.


87 posted on 09/03/2014 4:53:56 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Sacajaweau

The IMF said yesterday that Ukraine would need another $19 Billion injection, on top of the money already received, to survive if the war continues.

Ironically, that just happens to be nearly equal to the amount of Ukrainian Gold carried away to the New York Bank vaults after the coup.

COINKYDINK???


88 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: goldstategop

“Don’t blame me for Obama’s lack of red lines.”

Obama used up all of the Red-line paint in Syria.


89 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL; All

Tweet from BBC’s Steve Rosenberg:

On his website, 1 word has disappeared from Poroshenko’s statement about a “permanent ceasefire” ...and it’s the word “permanent”


90 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

We should call this “Schrodinger’s Ceasefire”

This ceasefire is either alive or dead.
Or alive and dead.


91 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Roland Oliphant, UK Telegraph

Now Poroshenko’s statement amended from “permanent ceasefire” to “ceasefire regime.”
So I guess they might all start shooting again.”
https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant


92 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Retweeted by Roland Oliphant: NDSC of Ukraine‏ President Poroshenko announced an agreement on ceasefire with Russian president Putin. More details will be at Presidential Administration.
93 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

From the NYTimes:

Ukraine Retracts Announcement of Cease-Fire With Russia

“The office of President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine said Wednesday that he and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had a similar understanding about what was needed to achieve a cease-fire in southeastern Ukraine, but it retracted a statement it had made earlier in the day that said the two men had agreed to a “lasting cease-fire.”

The initial statement, posted on the presidential website, went too far in describing the results of a telephone call between the two leaders as having reached a cease-fire, said a spokesman, noting that a revised version would be posted shortly.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/world/europe/ukraine-russia.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad&_r=0

So, who called Poroshenko after the announcement?
Paruiby?
Or US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt?


94 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All
Supposedly, this is RIGHT NOW in Donetsk City. Reuters reporting incoming artillery, followed almost immediately by outgoing Grads.
95 posted on 09/03/2014 4:54:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Right-wingers are probably ignoring Poroshenko.


96 posted on 09/03/2014 5:02:39 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: tcrlaf

As expected......


97 posted on 09/03/2014 5:06:19 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: tcrlaf
Ukraine Retracts Announcement of Cease-Fire With Russia

Well that doesn't really surprise me. He's about as trustworthy as Obama. Maybe somebody told him he could be tried for war crimes if this ended.

98 posted on 09/03/2014 5:06:24 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: tcrlaf

as i said earlier, Putin has headfaked them into announcing a ceasefire, they went ahead and stupidly announced it and Putin is now going, I have no clue what you are talking about......stuck them right in the ditch looking like idiots.

The guy is running rings round them like chickens with no heads and before the usual squad squeal about being pro putin, if fail to see this guy has them all chasing each others tails then frankly you are thicker than i thought.


99 posted on 09/03/2014 5:09:42 AM PDT by sunmars
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The office of Ukraine's president now says no cease-fire is in place in eastern Ukraine, but steps have been agreed upon with Russia for one.

A brief statement released by the office of Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday said that “mutual understanding was reached regarding the steps that will contribute to the establishment of peace.”

Initially, the statement said that there was “agreement on a permanent cease-fire in the Donbass” with Russia, but it was later revised to say “agreement on a cease-fire regime.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/03/ukraine-president-says-cease-fire-deal-agreed-with-russia-putin/

Sounds clintonesque.

100 posted on 09/03/2014 5:10:25 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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