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Britain: If hostilities break out in Gaza again, we’re cutting Israel off
Hot Air ^ | August 12, 2014 | Noah Rothman

Posted on 08/12/2014 8:27:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Last week, British police reported a disturbing and significant rise in anti-Semitic attacks on local Jews since the start of the latest conflict in Gaza.

“Figures seen by the BBC show recorded hate crimes against Jewish people living in London have doubled compared with the same period last year, while police in Manchester said they had seen an increase in anti-Semitic crime over the last month,” the BBC reported.

In totally unrelated news, the British government revealed on Tuesday that they are suffering from a terminal case of moral equivalency and are prepared to cut off military aid to Israel if “significant hostilities” resume in Gaza.

Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, and Skills and Liberal Democrat MP Vince Cable announced this week that the United Kingdom would suspend the export licenses of 12 British firms which send Israel arms like radar systems, aircraft, and tanks if any new hostilities in Gaza restart.

The Huffington Post U.K. reported that the British left is incensed by how “weak” this move is against Israel. Presumably, they would prefer that the government retroactively suspend arms trades to Israel and request that Israel send back any arms which they have acquired from British firms.

Fellow Lib Dem and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg recently expressed his support for an anti-Israel arms embargo saying that the Jewish state had “overstepped the mark” in its prosecution of the conflict with Hamas in Gaza.

Here is a brief review of the extensive lengths to which the IDF goes to avoid civilian casualties – rule of engagement to which neither the British nor the American armed forces would agree to be bound.

Hostilities have resumed on several occasions in Gaza after reports indicated that Hamas militants violated the terms of a number of temporary ceasefire agreements. On August 8, Hamas rocket fire into Israel shattered a tense peace. Another 72-hour cease fire which went into effect on August 1 lasted just 90 minutes before Hamas militants killed three IDF soldiers who were clearing and dismantling a tunnel network (as per the terms of that ceasefire).

None of this matter much, however, when your position is not logical but guided by emotion and reflex. And the reflex in Europe, it seems, is to lurch toward the abhorrent anti-Semitism which characterized the mid-20th Century.

If there was ever a sound argument against the necessity of a free and viable Jewish state, Europe is refuting it on a daily basis.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; armsdealers; britain; england; gaza; hamas; israel; unitedkingdom
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To: the scotsman

“Germany couldn’t conquer Britain,”

Yes, they could and easily, too. Germany couldn’t defeat the US industrial might. England was toast if we hadn’t stepped in.


81 posted on 08/13/2014 6:13:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: Tzfat

1—As I have said, Britain has never been and isn’t an anti-Semitic country. And never will be. Certainly not the native British populace. Any rise is due to extremist Muslims in the UK and perhaps the more vile of the pro-Palestinian leftwing trendy crowd.

2-—Ask US what we thought and think of the Irgun and Stern gang. Answer: murderous terrorists. Both groups were not ‘freedom fighters’, but terrorists who murdered and even tortured British soldiers, civilians and even murdered their own people either in bombings (like the King David Hotel) or murdered who worked for or supported the British in Palestine 1944-48.

One of the groups even managed to deliberately murder Count Bernadotte, a man who spent WW2 SAVING thousands of Jewish lives.

The Irgun and Stern gangs were not heroes, but terrorists of whom even most Palestine Jews at the time DIDNT support. TRUE Jewish heroes like Ben Gurion told Jews NOT to support them, and along with the Palmach, actually HELPED the British hunt down both gangs.

3-Britain deserved to be bombed by the Nazis?. Really?. Imagine I said America deserved 9-11?.

Now who’s the bigot?.


82 posted on 08/13/2014 6:13:51 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: CodeToad

Hitler also really didn’t want to invade England, he was happy to have them neutralized so he could attack Russia.


83 posted on 08/13/2014 6:14:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DaveA37

Read my earlier comments re the UK supplying Israel.

Vince Cable is a grandstanding buffoon and will not be in any position to make any decision. That’s the PM’s job. And the PM (himself part Jewish) supports Israel.


84 posted on 08/13/2014 6:15:20 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: the scotsman

“The UK is 95.4% NON Muslim.”

So, 4.6% of the population as Muslims hold the other 95.4% hostage. The homosexual agenda does that too with less than 1% of the population as faggots.


85 posted on 08/13/2014 6:15:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: BobL

Actually neither the British nor Nazis would have been able to defeat each other. Stalemate.


86 posted on 08/13/2014 6:16:02 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: dfwgator

“Hitler also really didn’t want to invade England”

Yes, he did. He even had plans to do so. The problem was the US backed them and made that very difficult.


87 posted on 08/13/2014 6:16:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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Brits being Brits, allowing the terrorists to make the decision on selling arms to Israel. Score one for Hamas.

88 posted on 08/13/2014 6:22:55 AM PDT by SJackson (incompetent and feckless..the story of the Obama presidency. No hand on the f***ing tiller, Hillary)
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To: CodeToad

Bollocks. Go learn some history.

Germany could not have successfully crossed the Channel, let alone conquered Britain. They didn’t have craft to do so, they couldn’t have defeated the Royal Navy, and as we saw, they lost the BoB, and also couldn’t have won that despite modern myth.

Also, the British were ahead in nuclear technology (Tube Alloys) with their own nuclear programme based in Canada. We were also ahead in other forms of war technology. Contrary to popular myth which has the Nazis always ahead on everything.

At sea, the British and Canadians in the Atlantic has already started slowly to turn the tide by as early late 1940 and early 1941. In fact, the US entry in 1942 under Adm King (an arrogant Anglophobe) to that battle was a disaster and almost lost the Allies the whole battle if wiser US heads hadn’t seen the sense in suiting US tactics to Anglo-Canadian tactics against the U boats.

The British had an Empire of men and material and support, the worlds largest navy, a superb airforce, and a highly trained army.

And as usual, you think only America helped/’saved’ Britain. Like the usual Yank, you ignore the immense contribution of Canada and the British Empire in WW2 and helping/saving us.

If Britain WAS saved from the Nazis, we did much of it ourselves. And were helped and ‘saved’ by Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, British Africa, the British Caribbean, British Asia, and by many countries and people of many colours and races. From white Irish and Canucks to black Africans and Burmese hill people or Hong Kong Chinese.

NOT just America.


89 posted on 08/13/2014 6:29:02 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: SJackson

How many times do I have to post that the UK IS still supplying Israel with military supplies, and will continue to do so.


90 posted on 08/13/2014 6:30:06 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: the scotsman

So England was feeding itself just fine then, no need for our merchant marines and the thousands of Liberty ships that sailed in England’s defense?

You really are nothing but a propagandist of the worst kind to insult the lives lost, the feats of sailing accomplished, all to prevent Germany from invading and taking over the place.

You logic is there was no need for our ships and supplies because England was not in danger from Germany.

What an idiot you are for even trying to suggest such a thing.


91 posted on 08/13/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: the scotsman

“If Britain WAS saved from the Nazis, we did much of it ourselves.”

You idiots got pushed into the sea at Dunkirk. You hardly had what it took to fight the Germans.


92 posted on 08/13/2014 6:35:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: CodeToad

I can’t recall where it is, but would someone who does pls repost that analysis of what happens in countries when the reach a certain % Muslim population. England’s almost at 5%, which IIRC is a big tipping point for Muslim extremists to exercise a disproportionate amount of power.


93 posted on 08/13/2014 6:38:31 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: CodeToad

Certainly Von Ribbentrop did, but Hitler was cool to the idea. He wanted Russia more. Perhaps once Russia was defeated he would have turned his attention back to England.....Of course America entering the war made it a moot point.


94 posted on 08/13/2014 6:41:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

That’s great! (The mass media gives a less favorable impression. But I’m sure we can agree that media reports can be problematical. Ha! What can be done about that “upper class” problem? When u figure it out, do please share. Could help this side of pond too. ). Thanks.


95 posted on 08/13/2014 6:49:31 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: CodeToad

Germany couldn’t invade England without air superiority (possibly even air supremecy). That meant destroying the RAF. The Battle of Britain demonstrated that the Luftwaffe couldnt do that. At least under the circumstances as they were.

Choking off sea lines of communication to Britain was another story entirely. The Kreigsmarine came damn close to doing that, and a major factor in preventing it was the transfer of those 50 WWI era Four Stacker destroyers from the USN, plus FDR’s violations of the Neutrality Act, plus US entry into the war.

Had that happened the UK would have been blockaded and starved into submission. And starvation doesn’t just include food, but materials (like fuel for the RAF) as well.

There’s a reason why, the evening of Pearl Harbor, Churchill wrote that he went to bed and “slept the sleep of the saved ... and the thankfull.”


96 posted on 08/13/2014 6:55:22 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

The Luftwaffe was actually being very effective, and then they switched to terror bombing of civilians.

It turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise as suddenly the military installations were being spared. Had they kept their original course, Britain would probably not have been able to withstand the invasion.


97 posted on 08/13/2014 6:58:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CodeToad

I am insulting no one. In fact YOU are, by belittling the British. Its YOU who talks about Britain needing saved, ‘idiots at Dunkirk’ etc. And you accuse ME of insults?.

I have not and would never belittle the sacrifice and help of America. At no point have I. And I never will. I thank America for what it did 1940-45 to help us, but it didn’t do it alone.

I have NOT said that America didn’t help us greatly in WW2, what I said was its a myth that America ‘saved’ us. Helped and saved are not the same.

p.s as to supplies, if you knew your history, you’d know that prior to the Lend Lease Act of March 11th 1941, and the first US ships arriving in the UK in late May 1941/early June, the British and Canadians had to carry all British military and civilian supplies across the Atlantic. Known as the ‘cash and carry’ method.


98 posted on 08/13/2014 7:00:15 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: dfwgator

Yup, circumstances as they were. But the RAF had radar and also the ability to further dispurse it’s fighters and move them further to the West if they needed to. They were positioned to the East to save interception time and permit ground-based alerts rather than flying costly continuous CAPs.

The RAF could have held on a lot longer if the Luftwaffe didn’t switch to the cities. It just would have been much more costly. Particularly in terms of the fuel that was being shipped in. That fuel was really the limiting factor.


99 posted on 08/13/2014 7:06:54 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: the scotsman

“what I said was its a myth that America ‘saved’ us. Helped and saved are not the same.”

We saved your sorry asses pure and simple. You’d be speaking German if it weren’t for the US entering the war.


100 posted on 08/13/2014 7:10:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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