Posted on 08/08/2014 5:52:12 AM PDT by kristinn
US military aircraft conduct strike on ISIL artillery. Artillery was used against Kurdish forces defending Erbil, near US personnel.
I saw a film clip of an ISIL convoy with an M109 and Russian tanks along with the trucks.
Stop lying.
The US has never supported ISIS. Has never armed ISIS and has never funded them.
ISIS was formerly Al Qaeda in Iraq, then Al Nasiriya then ISIS. Coalition forces defeated AQ-Iraq in 2009. They fled to Syria and morphed into Al Nasiriya. They were kicked out of AQ in Syria and became ISIS. In 2012 they returned to Iraq as ISIS.
We’ve always known who they are and what they are about (thugocracy). We have never funded them. We have never armed them. We created a vacuum when we left and they have filled it. The only way we “created” ISIS was in pulling combat troops from Iraq. That’s all.
Stop the BS about us funding and arming ISIS.
And the only way they got our “arms” is when the Iraqis dropped them and ran.
The horror is that posters on FR saw immediately what the monster is we created when ISIS marched out of Syria into Iraq, yet the DC crowd is just figuring it out.
“And the only way they got our “arms” is when the Iraqis dropped them and ran.”
The Iraqis fled after their (politically-appointed, non-US trained) cowardly leadership fled. So frickin’ what?
Did we “arm China” when we retreated from the Chosin Reservoir and are therefore responsible for their ‘52 offensive?
Did we “arm North Vietnam” when South Vietnam was overrun and are therefore responsible for their invasion of Cambodia?
How about “arming the Japanese” at Bataan and “arming the Germans” at Dunkirk?
What kind of a scumbag would makes such a disloyal accusation?
Some type of a coward who would abandon his unit before the first shot. That’s who.
We should have put GPS tracking devices on every piece of major military hardware we left over there for just such a contingency.
What is your title in the Obama administration?
WTF are you talking about?
ISIS took over Mosul and Falujah. In those towns were huge caches of US weapons and cash that we left by the fast retreating Armies.
Are you trying to pin me with accusing US troops running? If you are, you are an idiot.
“New evidence suggests the U.S. may be secretly giving heavy weapons to Syrian rebels to turn the tide of the war.”
This is not news. It is weapons-grade ignorance.
We’ve been arming and training secular Syrian opposition groups for years. This does not equate to “arming ISIS” which is an Islamist extremist organization. We have never supported Syrian Islamic groups.
Here is a partial list of non-Islamic, secular Syrian opposition groups:
-The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces is a coalition of opposition groups and individuals, mostly exil, who support the Syrian revolution side and are against the Assad government ruling Syria. It formed on 11 November 2012 at a conference of opposition groups and individuals held in Doha, Qatar. It includes organizations such as the Syrian National Council, the previous iteration of an exilic political body attempting to represent the grassroots movement.
-Coalition of Secular and Democratic Syrians: nucleus of a Syrian secular and democratic opposition that appeared during the Syrian civil war. It came about through the union of a dozen Muslim and Christian, Arab and Kurd parties, who called the minorities of Syria to support the fight against the government of Bashar al-Assad. The Coalition has also called for military intervention in Syria, under the form of a no-fly zone similar to that of Kosovo, with a safe zone and cities. The president of the coalition, who is also a member of the SNC, is Randa Kassis.
-Damascus Declaration: Opposition bloc from 2005. Twelve members were sentenced to 2.5 years in prison in 2008. Syrian journalist and activist Michel Kilo launched the declaration, after the Syrian writer and thinker Abdulrazak Eid had written its first draft. Riad Seif, another democracy activist, became the first signatory. The “five small opposition groups” signing the declaration were the Arab nationalist National Democratic Rally
-The Kurdish Democratic Alliance
-The Committees of Civil Society
-The Kurdish Democratic Front
-The Movement of the Future.
-The Movement for Justice and Development in Syria (MJD) also subscribes to the Damascus Declaration.In a series of splits 2007-2009, most members left the Damascus Declaration, leaving the MJD and SDPP (see below) as the only remaining factions of any consequence, along with a number of independents.
-Syrian Democratic People’s Party: A socialist party which played a “key role” in the creation of the SNC. The party’s leader George Sabra (a secularist born to a Christian family) is the official spokesman of the SNC, and also ran for chairman.
-Supreme Council of the Syrian Revolution: Syrian opposition group supporting the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad’s government. It grants local opposition groups representation in its national organization.
-Assyrian Democratic Organization: A party representing Assyrians in Syria and long repressed by the Assad government, it has been a participant in opposition structures since the beginning of the conflict. Abdul-Ahad Astepho is a member of the SNC.
-Syrian Turkmen Assembly: A recently formed assembly of Syrian Turkmens which constitutes a coalition of Turkmen parties and groups in Syria. It is against the partition of Syria after the collapse of Baath government. The common decision of Syrian Turkmen Assembly is: “Regardless of any ethnic or religious identity, a future in which everybody can be able to live commonly under the identity of Syrian is targeted in the future of Syria.”
-Syrian Democratic Turkmen Movement: An opposition party of Syrian Turkmens, which was constituted in Istanbul on 21 March 2012. The leader of Syrian Democratic Turkmen Movement is Ziyad Hasan.
-Syrian Turkmen National Bloc: An opposition party of Syrian Turkmens, which was founded in February 2012. The chairman of the political party is Yusuf Molla.
-Local Coordination Committees of Syria: Network of local protest groups that organize and report on protests as part of the Syrian civil war, founded in 2011. As of August 2011, the network supported civil disobedience and opposed local armed resistance and international military intervention as methods of opposing the Syrian government. Key people are activists Razan Zaitouneh and Suhair al-Atassi.
-Free Syrian Army & Higher Military Council: Paramilitary that has been active during the Syrian civil war. Composed mainly of defected Syrian Armed Forces personnel,its formation was announced on 29 July 2011 in a video released on the Internet by a uniformed group of deserters from the Syrian military who called upon members of the Syrian army to defect and join them. The leader of the group, who identified himself as Colonel Riad al-Asaad, announced that the Free Syrian Army would work with demonstrators to bring down the system, and declared that all security forces attacking civilians are justified targets. It has also been reported that many former Syrian Consulates are trying to band together a Free Syrian Navy from fishermen and defectors to secure the coast.
-Liwaa al-Umma: a paramilitary group initially fighting against the Syrian government in the Syrian civil war. The group was previously led by Mahdi Al-Harati, an Irish-Libyan who led Libyan rebel Tripoli Brigade during the Battle of Tripoli. In September 2012 it came under command of the Free Syrian Army.
-Syrian Turkmen Brigades: An armed opposition structure of Syrian Turkmens fighting against Syrian Armed Forces. It is also the military wing of Syrian Turkmen Assembly. It is led by Colonel Muhammad Awad and Ali Basher.”
But to many people this is all too much to comprehend or even appreciate. Arming a few moderate groups = “arming ISIS”. Because moderates, secularists or extremists -it doesn’t matter. They’re all alike, right?
Should we not be assisting the Kurds too because that would hailed as “arming ISIS?
LOL, but of course we only arm the "good guys" in Syria and Libya. I want some of what you are smoking.
“Are you trying to pin me with accusing US troops running? “
So if US retreats are not accused of “arming” the enemy why is you accuse the US of arming ISIS when the Iraqis retreat?
We have never armed, trained or supported ISIS. We defeated them in Iraq in 2009 and we have funded and trained their opposition in Syria and Iraq since then.
Now we’re bombing ISIS and some FReepers have the gall to imply we’re being hypocritical since we “armed ISIS”. So tell me whose the idiot?
“Stop lying. ..”? You say, “Stop lying”?
I just heard last night on FOX Colonel North SAY these are the very actors we used in Syria to thwart Bashar. The Benghazi story is also one of a few cuddle up US arms deals with these terrorist off shoots.
When you call someone a liar, you yourself need to be at least informed enough to pull it off well. You certainly are not informed.
You are crazy. Do you have a third grade reading comprehension. I NEVER said “the US armed them.” I said they got US weapons from the retreating Iraqis.
Get your act together before you go making statements that are completely false.
Put the beer down. It ain’t 5 O’clock anywhere near here.
I suspect the military is doing and has been doing a whole lot more than the Emir would like, himself being an activist Mussulman and all, and has given him the choice of announcing it as his idea or firing and courtmartialing some generals and admirals for defending the objects of genocide which wouldn’t play well politically.
We have a know-it-all (just ask him) loose cannon here, trying to fire spit wads with his underwear wrapped around his head.
“The horror is that posters on FR saw immediately what the monster is we created when ISIS marched out of Syria into Iraq, yet the DC crowd is just figuring it out.”
This is just wrong. We did not create ISIS any more than we created the NVA. ISIS is the former Al Qaeda in Iraq who retreated to Syria after we defeated them in 2009. We have always known who they are and what they’re about. When Syria got too difficult for them they went into Iraq which has proved to be lucrative for them.
We support the secular Syrian opposition groups, not the Islamic extremists among which ISIS is the worst.
The middle east is very tribal. Think gang warfare and turf. When things go to H you can walk around alone, in a business suit in one area waving to locals and 1 mile away you need full body armor, an uparmored vehicle and a military escort with Combat Air Support overhead.
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