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Report from Slaviansk

Posted on 07/29/2014 6:59:33 AM PDT by aardwolf46

Something I noticed on youtube and was about a month old when MH17 was shot down, this account seems to be severely at odds with much of what we see in the MSM....

Report from Slaviansk

This makes several claims I've seen of Ukrainian fighter-bombers hiding behind airliners and then peeling off to bomb separatist targets. The basic bottom line wrt MH17 seems to be that Ukrainian air traffic controllers routed it into a war zone and ordered it to drop altitude, i.e. set it up like a skeet target. The question of who actually shot it down seems fairly irrelevant.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine
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To: aardwolf46
they were just trying to defend their own people from being bombed.

You don't get to shoot everybody and anybody in sight to do that.

It's called a callous disregard for human life and a war crime.

41 posted on 07/29/2014 9:39:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bagman
I assume you are talking about The Civil War. Since we're on that topic have you seen the rebels battle flag?

Is nothing sacred?

42 posted on 07/29/2014 9:44:52 AM PDT by McGruff (Was George Bush a Putinista?)
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To: McGruff

“Is nothing sacred?”

To Russian thugs in Ukraine? No, nothing is sacred.


43 posted on 07/29/2014 9:50:46 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: PieterCasparzen
re: response #38 to you

Thank you for the dissertation. It does seem that the only way for a country to survive is to be self sufficient, protect its borders, and have stable leadership. Whenever a country reaches that level, it does seem that the global ptb do stir the pot. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine in alliance with Russia, the US.....were all much better off before outsiders armed rebels and manipulated the process (yes I'm including the US in that).

How many European countries and regions have tried to break loose of the EU but can't because "their" leaders put them in debt to the bankers? How many countries have allied with others for financial gain, only to be cut off, impoverished, and destabilized?

If I weren't so lazy about formal academic study (and the manipulation it puts one through) I'd love to explore a thesis that Stability, Self Sufficiency and Secure Borders are the three most important ingredients for a successful nation. Those conditions are what the globalist/illuminati/banker elite (call them what you want) fear the most.

44 posted on 07/29/2014 9:55:24 AM PDT by grania
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To: Uncle Chip

Not under those circumstances. Once again, you’ve got Ukrainian fighter-bombers darting in and out from behind airliners to bomb and then Ukrainian controllers routing an airliner into a war zone and ordering it to drop altitude. At that point, it’s up to the pilot to say “screw this” and get out of Dodge, as high and as fast as possible.


45 posted on 07/29/2014 10:03:44 AM PDT by aardwolf46
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To: McGruff

What if Texas were infiltrated by Mexican thugs to “defend the rights” of other Mexicans residing in American by pushing them to go for succession? THAT’S what is going on in Ukraine, NOT the picture you paint.


46 posted on 07/29/2014 10:55:17 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

The Truth Will Make You Free

and

Glasses Can Make You See


47 posted on 07/29/2014 10:59:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Was George Bush a Putinista?)
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To: grania

The current strain of banking families has been lending to and corrupting governments since the Renaissance. Using the internet, you certainly can study on your own, which actually gives you much more latitude to pursue leads as you find them, or decide to change course for a while and explore a different vein of leads.

Court bankers are the “power behind the throne”, and they train their protoges to understand that part of being successful at what they do is being at the forefront of espionage and corruption, as well as keeping real power all within their own family. This is why they marry within their own families. The corruption tactics they employ would make most people sick to their stomach; for example, a man pimping out his own wife, child sex rings, etc.

They carefully cultivate their public image too, making the public think that there’s no way they would “care about” “politics” - they’re just “bankers”.

When you consider how well it works, it’s almost comical how “sheeple” will frequently very vehemently protest that the conspiracy which rules them does not exist.

There really hasn’t been a nation which kept these beasts out for centuries. The Romanov family had them really steamed throughout the 19th century; even as the Tsar had accounts in other countries with millions in deposit in their banks. That made the Tsar such a target for the bankers. None of the monies held outside Russia were ever returned to that nation; the only money available to the new government was what was in Russia. Of course, the US-based financiers financed the Bolsheviks to the tune of many millions, which is a whole topic in and of itself.


48 posted on 07/29/2014 11:56:14 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Google search on MH17 and bullet holes
49 posted on 07/29/2014 2:28:28 PM PDT by aardwolf46
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To: McGruff

If Texas did so with the support and financial backing of Mexico it would be more analogous. And if that happened we’d likely beat he’ll out of Mexico.

Oh wait, I just realized they are trying the slow roll of that plan as we speak...


50 posted on 07/29/2014 6:04:27 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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