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The treacherous task of tunnel demolition [Israel and Hamas]
The Times of Israel ^ | Friday, July 18, 2014 | Mitch Ginsberg

Posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler

How exactly does the IDF dismantle Hamas’s offensive tunnels, some 60-feet-deep, over a mile long, with multiple exits.

The tunnel threat, the unknowingness of it, has eclipsed the threat of rockets in Israel’s war with Gaza. This may change in the future, if detection methods improve. For now, though, after narrowly thwarting a mega-attack in the Eshkol region on Thursday, Israel has sent in troops to find, probe, and destroy the underground arteries that stretch beneath the border, all along the border.

Brig. Gen. Miki Edelstein, the Gaza division commander, told reporters near an offensive tunnel discovered in October 2013 that the entrance to that tunnel was likely in the back yard of a civilian’s home in Rafah.

Brig. Gen. (res) Shimi Daniel, a former commander of the combat engineering corps, painted a more complex picture. He said Thursday on Channel 2 news that the entrance shafts of the tunnels are located within civilian homes and that, by the time troops arrive, “they’ve already poured fresh concrete over the opening.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; stisraelhamas
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It's going to be a long and arduous task, when you see what they have to do.
1 posted on 07/18/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

They need a big Rodenator.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 1:36:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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Here’s a running account of news reports related to these recent events with Israel and Hamas. If you want to catch up on the news accounts ... they are here ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/stisraelhamas/index

It’s listed from newest to oldest, so go to the bottom to start.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:43 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Use Zippo Tracks to fill the tunnel then detonate the tunnel.


4 posted on 07/18/2014 1:37:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Star Traveler

Weren’t there “earthquake” bombs used during the Vietnam war to collapse large areas of tunnels? Of course, that would probably take out whole neighborhoods in Gaza with the usual condemnation.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:04 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Star Traveler

Set up a number of huge pumps from the Med.
Like the old joke, put a wall around it and fill it with water.
When it’s thoroughly saturated after a number of months, ‘bounce it’.
The whole region will probably subside.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 1:38:39 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Star Traveler

Blow up the homes


7 posted on 07/18/2014 1:39:27 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Truth29

Daisycutters.
The new versions I believe are called MOABs.
Bigger, badder boom.
Of course to get to the tunnels you have to go through everything above.
oops.
Ender’s Game
What did you think it was about?


8 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:19 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Star Traveler

—big blowtorch and fan on an entrance or pump in propane and ignite-—


9 posted on 07/18/2014 1:42:42 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

I’ve heard you can use carbide and water. The gas is heavier than air. If the moles are bad in your yard, you can lift the whole thing.


10 posted on 07/18/2014 1:43:58 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Tijeras_Slim

If there’s a reason why this wouldn’t work, I haven’t heard it.


11 posted on 07/18/2014 1:46:56 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Star Traveler

Use a “Verminator”

http://inventiveagproducts.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfX0FqS-4Og


12 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:25 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

An FAE would be perfect.

Cheap, effective, and environmentally friendly.


13 posted on 07/18/2014 1:48:32 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Truth29

“Weren’t there “earthquake” bombs used during the Vietnam war to collapse large areas of tunnels?”

In WW2 the Brits used Lancaster’s to deliver a single deep penetrating bomb. It shook the earth so much that it collapsed nearby structures like bridges, aquifers and buildings. It was like a localized earthquake. The IDF would essentially have to level every building in Gaza.

They should design really small seeker drones and manipulate them remotely. There is ground penetrating radar that will probably locate them. Rest assured the IDF will use the latest technology. I doubt they’ll go in and search like they did last time.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 1:49:49 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: All
A Zippo Trak.


15 posted on 07/18/2014 1:53:56 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: jim999
Set up a number of huge pumps from the Med.

I like it.

16 posted on 07/18/2014 1:54:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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17 posted on 07/18/2014 2:02:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Star Traveler

Interesting. They mention that it is harder to detect the tunnels than it is to destroy them.

When they do get technical means to detect the tunnels, they should keep it/them secret for surprise in future combat, and prepare a special operation to make every Hamas operative seek to avoid tunnel duty for a generation.

In addition to technical means of detection, an Intelligence task force should get to know the tunnelers, so that they get to know all their “tells” - movements of equipment, supplies, debris, or technical experts - and map them out in detail for attack


18 posted on 07/18/2014 2:09:18 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Gen.Blather

I’m kind of surprised that anyone could build a tunnel under Israel. With ground radar and seismic sensors available I’d think they’d have that covered.

We’ve got seismic sensors that can track an oil drill bit thousands of feet under ground, surely they could track tunnel rats.


19 posted on 07/18/2014 2:10:41 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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“I’m kind of surprised that anyone could build a tunnel under Israel.”

I think the tunnels are only under Gaza. Mostly they go out of Gaza to Egypt. But they’ve run all over Gaza so they can hide stuff from Drones.


20 posted on 07/18/2014 2:12:42 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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