Posted on 07/18/2014 6:20:56 AM PDT by C19fan
An expert believes that MH17 was downed by a missile fired from rebel-held Torez in eastern Ukraine - and a BUK launcher has been pictured rumbling into the town just two hours before the crash. Dr Igor Sutyagin, Research Fellow in Russian Studies from the Royal United Services Institute, believes that MH17 was shot down by rebels based in the 3rd District of Torez. Dr Sutyagin said the evidence that Russian separatists were responsible was very strong - and that there's even a suggestion the BUK missile launcher was being manned by soldiers from Russia. He said: ‘These separatists boasted on Twitter about capturing an BUK SA11 missile launcher [capable of downing high-flying airliners] on June 29, and several hours before the downing of the plane locals in Torez reported seeing BUK missile launchers and separatist flags around the city.'
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Nasty-looking beast, ain’t it...
Like a ZSU-23 Shilka, but with missiles instead of 23mm ack-ack...
bttt
AND brag about it on the internet, and provide video of it.
Obama will respond by banning a few more Russkies from Disney World.
The Germans had the Wirbelwind Flakpanzer IV back in WWII.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNKtbI09WWg
I think our closest WWII equivalent was the M3 Halftrack with the quad 50 calibers on them.
We had something called the M247 “Sgt York” as well, post-war (1960’s or 1970s??).
Missiles instead of guns, now... longer reach, bigger bang...
How can anyone see those pictures and doubt these are Russian soldiers.
As a tangent, pretty amazing the US never was able to build something equivalent to the ZSU-23. There was the Sergeant York project that ended in complete failure.
People will believe what they want to believe - or what they’re told to believe - depending on who is holding them hostage (with whatever type of leverage) at any given moment.
It’s just the way things are.
M247 Sgt York:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TanFPsRaeto
All the more strange when you consider the best tank of WWII - the Russian T34 - was an American design (Christie).
The crew involved, and the GSU guy who made the call? They will be dead by tonight at latest. Someone has to clean up this mess and none of these characters can be allowed to turn up at a later date.
I think this will turn into an interesting episode among the anti-Kiev crowd. The Russians kill off some of your own members....all bad public relations...and all of this over some really perceived negative EU-trade agreement that would have brought more cash into Ukraine. There’s no winners in this episode....just losers.
Note Besler appears to be wearing Russian Airborne Forces t-shirt. Coincidence I’m sure...
Assad used the ZSU-23 with great effectiveness in the streets of Aleppo.
Once again the British press kicks butt.
I suspect you are right.
His bodyguards look like nice guys.
What we know for certain is that shooting down a civilian airliner is not a rational act for either side, except as a false-flag operation to blame the other.
Thus, whoever’s launcher fired the missile, it was either an error or a false-flag operation.
The article has now been updated to show the Russian BUK launcher being smuggled back to Russia - with TWO missiles missing.
Ohhh where have all the missiles gone???
I did a bit of googling and found found the following comments on armchairgeneral.com:
I am currently reading Stephen E Ambrose´s CITIZEN SOLDIER. On page 64 he compares the tanks of the different combatants and writes: "The Red Army had its own tanks, the T-34s (American-designed and perhaps the best tank of the war)." That the T-34 was a good tank was not news, but that it was american designed was BIG news. Can anybody confirm this? No reference is listed in the book.
response I think it is a major stretch to say that the T-34 was "American designed." But the suspension system was a "Christie" design that was rejected by the US Army prior to WWII. Christie didn't design the suspension for the T-34 but he did for the BT series of t Russian tanks and they continued using it for the T-34 series of tanks. Christie was an American. Stating that the T-34 was an American design shows Ambrose's lack of historical depth in his research.
There is further back and forth on the topic here:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29502
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