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Did surface-to-air missile take down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?
CNN.com ^ | July 17, 2014 | Michael Pearson

Posted on 07/17/2014 1:43:21 PM PDT by Biggirl

(CNN) -- Early speculation about the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 has centered on the possibility it could have been shot down as it passed over volatile eastern Ukraine. After all, Ukrainian officials say pro-Russia separatists, or possibly Russia, were behind the shooting down of two Ukrainian aircraft in recent days.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: buk; flight17; malaysia; mh17
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1 posted on 07/17/2014 1:43:21 PM PDT by Biggirl
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2 posted on 07/17/2014 1:49:30 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Biggirl

Uh, yeah.

Less likelihood it was an air-to-air missile.


3 posted on 07/17/2014 1:51:29 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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I sticking with it being a center wing fuel tank explosion.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 2:00:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good one!


5 posted on 07/17/2014 2:05:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Biggirl

TWA 800 look alike?


6 posted on 07/17/2014 2:08:08 PM PDT by stboz
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Yep, and ironic, on the anniversary.


7 posted on 07/17/2014 2:09:59 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I'm sticking with it being a center wing fuel tank explosion

Any reason why? And is there any possibility that if it is something like that it's the cause for the other MA 777 that disappeared?

Whether it was shot in error or something else, I wouldn't be surprised if what happened to one of the planes happened to the other.

8 posted on 07/17/2014 2:14:31 PM PDT by grania
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MH17 is getting solved a hell of a lot quicker than MH370.

It seems the Ukrainian rebels, under the command of Igor "Strelkov", thought they were bagging another AN-26 transport belonging to Kiev. Intercepted phone call:

Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson. 

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.


9 posted on 07/17/2014 2:21:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: grania

If it is a good enough explanation for TWA flight 800, it ought to be good enough here.


10 posted on 07/17/2014 2:25:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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There's some weird hypothesizing that Putin's plane had a similar path. With TWA 800, wasn't there some speculation that the bad guys thought it was an Israeli aircraft?

We really don't know. In my mind, the first question is why was that plane flying across Ukraine? To save fuel was one thought expressed on CBS. Another was sheer stupidity.

11 posted on 07/17/2014 2:28:58 PM PDT by grania
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Remember KAL 007 and make up your own mind.

We should ban Aeroflot from our airspace indefinitely and as I said after the KAL shootdown to a BBC reporter, “We should embargo them right down to their last drop of Pepsi Cola.”


12 posted on 07/17/2014 3:40:47 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Russia is the only threat to the jihad in Iraq and Syria so it doesn't matter what happens, "Russia did it".

The fact that it's the anniversary of Flight 800 going and this year 19th day of Ram A Damn hasn't been mentioned anywhere that I've seen. Another airliner or some other significant act may well take place on the 21st day of Ram A Damn as well because these days mark the beginning and the ending of one of the "greatest loses to mankind" in history and jihadists consider them especially good days to force infidels to weep with the faithful.

That'll all just slide through the cracks and be ignored. The US is determined to give Iraq and Syria to the Mooze Lame Brotherhood and knows Russia is the only country that would dare to intervene and resist the MB.

The Muzzie in the Whit Hut is determined that Russia won't be able to aid anyone in the ME and is still ticked off over Russia assuring the Egyptian Military they would replace the US if need be. When they were sure they'd have access to equipment and supplies it cannot produce they got back down to the business of fighting the MB just like they have been ever since Nasser just as soon as all the MB and their supporters had come out of the woodwork so they could be identified.

The courts in Egypt upheld the execution of nearly seven hundred MB notables and Barry is hopping mad over those executions of his pals. Ukraine is the way to keep Russia from becoming more deeply involved in the ME and as soon as it's value in that regard is finished the US and EU will cut Ukraine loose to drift into chaos.

Running against the wind though it may be, that's the way I see it until something that can't be faked is found the contrary.

13 posted on 07/17/2014 3:41:48 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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“There's some weird hypothesizing that Putin's plane had a similar path. “

Ah yes, good old RT: http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

So who's behind it ? “Kiev nazis” ? CIA ? Sodomite EU ? All together ?

14 posted on 07/17/2014 3:48:47 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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OK so it’s all clear now that CIA was behind it to make Putin the savior of Christianity look bad ? Latest RT news say so ?


15 posted on 07/17/2014 3:51:52 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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Dolt, I didn't say that and people who put words in other people's mouths are always stupid easily led jerks and sometimes dedicated propagandists as well.

Putin looks out for Russia first and foremost, no doubt about it. He's not a nice guy, but he's not into fantasies either, he's a realist and a pragmatist. He's also in charge of a military that is capable of distinguishing civilian from military aircraft. That rules out Russia as the source of the missile.

The separatists only have the skill to operate such missile systems when it serves the purposes of Kiev to say they do. Whether they do or not is open to question and it's very true that they wouldn't be able to separate civilian from military flights.

Kiev has it's share of nut cases as well and the day after the Azov Battalion which definitely does have people who can operate such SAMs and probably doesn't have the ability to discern civilian from military aircraft returns to the East this aircraft is shot down. An event that from the POV of the Azov Battalion achieves a lot.

Throw in the fact that there are Tartars around who would be more than happy to strike a blow for jihad and it's not at all clear who shot the aircraft down. Whether or not the CIA played a role didn't cross my mind but obviously it crossed yours.

Now, dolt away numb-nuts but don't bother putting words in my mouth or pretending I said or think anything not clearly stated here on FR for all to see.

What's the matter, don't like anyone pointing out the value of your Holy Days to the jihad or you just don't like the idea of anyone disagreeing with you?

16 posted on 07/17/2014 4:07:09 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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“The US is determined to give Iraq and Syria to the Mooze Lame Brotherhood and knows Russia is the only country that would dare to intervene and resist the MB.”

“Ukraine is the way to keep Russia from becoming more deeply involved in the ME and as soon as it's value in that regard is finished the US and EU will cut Ukraine loose to drift into chaos.”

LOL ! How could I put anything in your mouth when it is so full of bolshevik garbage ?

17 posted on 07/17/2014 4:16:30 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Now now, you’re supposed to be nice on your Holy Days.


18 posted on 07/17/2014 4:27:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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America has been fighting against global jihad since decades, while your shirtless garbage is supporting islamists, your attempts to spread here anti-western trash making use of anti-Obama (Putin's agent of influence) sentiment are so primitive that even 6 years old kids can clearly see what it is, bolshevik crap. Now go watch some pictures of Putin wearing high heels.
19 posted on 07/18/2014 3:06:50 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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Blah, blah, blah, yet again.

The "anti" I'm spreading is anti-King Barry and the democrat fascist machine that's backing Ukraine, not anti-Western anything.

Have a nice day

20 posted on 07/18/2014 3:18:04 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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