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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Reuters ^ | 17 July 2014 | Alissa de Carbonne

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by CMB_polarization

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying on Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; crash; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh17; mh370; reset; russia; ukraine
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To: tcrlaf; All

http://www.flightradar24.com/#47.72,35.42/6?&_suid=140565760790903508767372239138";

Current FlightRadar 24 looking over Ukraine.

Notice there are NO commercial aircraft over Southeastern Ukraine, but several are flying over Crimea (Russian Controllers)

Again, I’d like to know WHO routed this aircraft over Donetsk and the war zone.

Was it MH’s dispatchers? Did the pilot enter a course change?

DID UKRAINE’S CONTROLLERS route it over the fighting??

Until the Black Box info is revealed, we just won’t know the truth. We KNOW the rebels shot it down. What we don’t know is what was it doing there in the first place??

WHY the dramatic course change compared to the July 16th flight, taking it directly over contested territory?


701 posted on 07/17/2014 9:32:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: KOZ.
This is a conservative forum....

Of course it is ...and a site that the owner enjoys freepers seeking the truth. How can that be found if all that is posted is a one-sided point of view from favored parties.

I think most here have clearly stated they have not taken sides regarding Ukraine....but those who have done so get their pants in a knot real easy if the posts don't agree with their view.

The entire International Community knows the US and Nato are very much involved and in large part responsible for the esculation of war in Ukraine....and it's well known nations who oppose the US/NAto involvement are hesitant to oppose because they have their hand in Uncle Sam's pocket.

It's also known that the MSM here in the USA will continue to carry Alibama’s water......which he and Putin are head to head butting over Ukraine and throughout the World Stage. No secret these two hate each other.

It's fully understandable the propaganda machines are in full operation by the US and Russia...it goes with media wars. Ukraine has never been "simple"....and behaves itself more like Russian politics and war. It hasn't a clue what to do without corruption as it's been that so very long. It will take generations to turn around...if it ever even has that chance....what's going on there now isn't the "chance" Maidan thought it would be by any means...and it won't be over any time soon.

702 posted on 07/17/2014 9:32:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf; Uncle Chip
Note how hard the Kiev trolls try to control THE LANGUGE of this event. It isn’t a “Civil War”, it is an “Anti-Terrorist Operation”. It wasn’t a “Coup”, it was the “Not-a-coup” coup. Those aren’t actual Nazi’s in the Right Sector Militias, in the Maidan Demonstrations, or in the Governemnt, they are the “not-A-Nazi!” Nazi’s.

You are a lying, bootlicking Neo-Soviet scumbag. Incase no one has reminded you of that today.

703 posted on 07/17/2014 9:32:25 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“I saw it on Twitter.”

Holy crap thats funny!!


704 posted on 07/17/2014 9:33:16 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: tcrlaf
Again, I’d like to know WHO routed this aircraft over Donetsk and the war zone.

RT tweeted that it was George Soros, and the controllers were Blackwater mercenaries.

705 posted on 07/17/2014 9:33:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; All
WHY was the routing changed?? And WHO changed it?
706 posted on 07/17/2014 9:33:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“So, the coup never happened on your planet, right?”

Yes Ukraine overthrew a crooked, foreign backed president with Russian interests. Is that what you’re talking about?

Russia then invaded.

Why do you support a Russian invasion of a sovereign nation?


707 posted on 07/17/2014 9:34:51 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: 1rudeboy; y'all

Been at work, missed a couple hours of this, trying to catch up.

When Biden said ‘there was just a plane blown apart in the sky’, zero characterized this as a tragedy, but nobody in the admin knew about the 23 Americans aboard, as if they can’t call Malaysia Airlines for the passenger manifest,

Are there Americans whose brothers, sisters, parents, bosses, neighbors who were vacationing in Amsterdam, maybe heading an island stay in Malaysia, who have been texting and calling the 23 Americans with no pick-up, have they called the State dept and been told that Kerry’s people can’t help with the status of our people on that plane?


708 posted on 07/17/2014 9:35:57 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: caww; KOZ.
I think most here have clearly stated they have not taken sides regarding Ukraine....but those who have done so get their pants in a knot real easy if the posts don't agree with their view.

Not just your other Soviet buddies, but you also are a lying pile of soviet trash. You have been non-stop with your Putinist propaganda demonizing Ukraine and apologizing for Putin, taking stuff from Russian state controlled media at face value and then insulting us for not believing it. Not to mention justifying invasion and MURDER, over and over again, shamelessly. And here you are, after 23 Americans have been killed, including among 295 other people, and you're still at this BS with your "Oh, I don't have my lips locked on Putin's ass, I'm just a free-thinking 'conservative.'" Drop dead you schmuck!

709 posted on 07/17/2014 9:36:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww
How can that be found if all that is posted is a one-sided point of view from favored parties.

Thanks for reminding me. I really need to read the Cuban and Venezuelan press more often.

710 posted on 07/17/2014 9:36:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Apparently, the restricted airspace established by the Ukrainian government only extended to 32,000 feet. So technically MH17 was not in restricted airspace.

That said, if I had been piloting that plane and it was suggested by any ground control that I fly over eastern Ukraine, I think I would refuse that corrections. I mean, how bad could that weather along the normal path be that you would fly over an active combat zone.


711 posted on 07/17/2014 9:37:24 PM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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To: 1rudeboy

“I really need to read the Cuban and Venezuelan press more often.”

You really should, it could be VERY enlightening for you, since they sound so much like you.


712 posted on 07/17/2014 9:37:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

LOL....love how you post yourself questions.

Isn’t it naptime in Moscow yet?

You know what’s a better question? Why are Russian’s attacking Ukraine and shooting down airliners?


713 posted on 07/17/2014 9:38:03 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: tcrlaf

Weather deviation?


714 posted on 07/17/2014 9:38:05 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: tcrlaf

Riiight, tovarich.


715 posted on 07/17/2014 9:38:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; All
WHY was the routing changed?? And WHO changed it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

716 posted on 07/17/2014 9:39:06 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf

There was another map...and it showed where they lost contact with the plane....and IIRC, it’s at the jog close to the word Poland. Don’t be surprised if we find that there was a hijacker with a bomb on board. After all...IIRC, Malaysia has lousy security.


717 posted on 07/17/2014 9:40:55 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

You’re deviating from the script.


718 posted on 07/17/2014 9:42:27 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; caww; KOZ.

I was wondering if there were still any Putin apologists left on this forum. Putin is a sociopathic tyrant who is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union while Obama and the rest of the world sleeps.

These “rebels” didn’t just discover some surface to air missile and shoot it at the sky. It takes an entire platoon of trained engineers, mechanics, and strategists to operate a SAM battery and hit a moving target, plus it takes a surface to air missile, which, the last time I looked is not available on E-Bay. This missile was launched by either ex-Russian military equipped and supplied by Russia or Russian soldiers.

Putin’s fingerprints are all over this murder of 300 civilians and anyone who thinks that Putin is a good guy is either really stupid or really evil.


719 posted on 07/17/2014 9:44:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: tcrlaf

You are aware that that dotted red line is awfully close to the border of the officially recognized Crimean NO FLY ZONE.

So which one should the airlines stay away from as they fly through that area — the NO FLY ZONE or the Donetsk Thug War Zone.


720 posted on 07/17/2014 9:45:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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