Posted on 07/13/2014 9:41:43 AM PDT by tcrlaf
Edited on 07/13/2014 9:45:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
MOSCOW— Russia is warning Ukraine of “irreversible consequences” after cross-border shelling from the battle-worn east struck Russian territory Sunday, reportedly killing one Russian citizen and injuring two others.
“This incident highlights the extremely dangerous escalation of tensions in the Russian-Ukrainian border and may have irreversible consequences, the responsibility for which lies on the Ukrainian side,” Russia’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement Sunday, calling the incident an “aggressive action.”
Russian officials summoned the Ukrainian charge d’affaires to the foreign ministry in Moscow to protest the civilian’s death, which they say occurred when the Ukrainian army in the Luhansk region shelled Russia’s Rostov region across the border, hitting a residential building.
Ukrainian officials vehemently deny that they have fired on Russian territory and are questioning whether Russia is making up details surrounding the incident simply to build a case against Ukraine’s military.
Latest developments, per Twitter:
-In its debut flight mission, Rebel-controlled Su-25 detroyed 6 government MBTs and 1 APC
Unconfirmed Twitter reports that the rebel siege at Lugansk Airport may be broken, and that the outer defense line of Lugansk City may have fallen, and rebel troops have retreated into the city
The assault from the south was made by 80-90 AFV’s and MBT’s. The battle has been going on for 12 hours.
Rebels counter-attacked from the city with tanks and artillery, and have stabilized the line. HEAVY casualties being reported, as Kiev continues to shell the south part of the city.
Meanwhile, in Kiev, Ukraine’s Interior Minister Avakov accuses the Maidan of discrediting the revolution.
Funny how the dissenters aren’t tolerant of the dissenters, eh?
As said Putin’s moved well beyond Ukraine....regardless who “Owns” the pipelines...Ukraine cooked their own goose in that respect.
I could care less what so called Maidan did, I’d just as soon they froze to death quite frankly for the plans to hi-jack them were long in the making..before they even hit the streets. ...which is the problem with youth making up the bulk of these getting off the ground....they can’t see or manage the “other” elements when they step onto the gameboard. They get too caught up into “the moment” rather than watch their backs. They have no skills in how the game is REALLY played and why outside influences are so qucik to take them over.
Russia doesn’t care if or not Ukraine pays it’s debt, though it makes for leverage when to Russia’s advantage politically. They already wrote off Ukraine.
As mentioned before if you or others want to believe this is about Ukrainian people, well go at it...but it’s not and never was. This is about the big boys park and who gets to play in it and for it....Ukraine’s people are simply the pawns on the board that get moved or taken in check-mate.
Crimea was always Russia prior...Krushy baby handed it over to Ukraine as a “gift”...the people had zero choice in the matter. Putin took it back and the people rose to the occassion...they had no intentions of fighting. Although Ukraines army would have rather retained their place among.
Further Nato wants ALL the Baltic nations under it’s control...in order to checkmate Russia. It’s really not hard to figure out....Putin said very little as they scoped up one nation after another....(the peoples choice) so why have a problem when Crimeans went along with their choice to return to Russia? You can’t have it both ways....further we do not have control of the Black Sea. Being in it doesn’t make you overlord of it. Further...Putin secured his Ports and fleets in Crimea.....side benefit was the resources.
We moved into Kuwait only because Saudi insisted we do when Saddam was right on ‘their border’ ready to invade.
Right after I posted the above, this Tweet popped up from a Rebel account:
Lugansk: Fierce shelling
Used aircraft & Sabotage/Intel group
Airport is ours. Offensive launched on Schastye
Roskoshnoe free
(This is where a large National Guard unti is reported to be “Eliminated” by the rebels, a couple of hours ago.)
So who knows.....
It’s been in their news. See “Russia Today” aka RT
“This is about the big boys park and who gets to play in it and for it....Ukraine’s people are simply the pawns on the board that get moved or taken in check-mate.”
Bingo....
I’ll add that WINTER IS COMING, and it is going to get damned cold soon.
Russia has invaded Ukraine, Ukraine has not invaded Russia. I pee on your Russian bullshite propaganda.
Ukrainians are being killed in Ukraine by Russians. Russians have been killed in Ukraine but they would not been killed killed if they had stayed in Russia.
The remaining group is a bunch of paid Russian psychopaths that everyone in Ukraine wants dead. The sooner that happens the better.
I have been paying attention...and you are correct. In fact, I amazed at Putin’s restraint in this conflicts. As far I see, he waits for disgruntled ethnic Russian citizens in Ukraine to rise up against corruption & murder & only THEN moves to support them. And at least he goes to his Duma for “permission” to act, unlike the gay Muslim-in-chief who unilaterally does as he sees fit. Congress?? What Congress??
....”I’ll add that WINTER IS COMING, and it is going to get damned cold soon”.....
Yes, and I don’t think the USA’S minyuns in Kiev can orchestrate fast enough any alternatives....they may end up cold indeed.
However I will say this....those in the north who remain either will be taken care of via Russia...or and they will use all the buidings Kiev destroyed for fires they can at least get by on throughout the winter....at least what few of them who have remained.
I heard that Kiev has promised Western Ukrainians “free homes” the Russiains have left....if they move there. Interesting way to re-populate the area with “their people” for the next “fight” down the road.
As said they simply use the people for political advantages....just as the US does us now.
For such foolish naive amateurs, the Maidan youths have gotten the better of Putin. They overthrew his puppet and sent him running to cower behind his Russian masters. Maidan won and Putin lost!
Putin's invasion of Crimea gained him nothing and has cost him enormously. It was a desperate attempt to save face after his humiliating defeat at the hands of Ukrainian patriots. His miserable failure to take “Novorossiya” has exposed his impotence for all to see and has even enraged his own people who will soon turn against him.
Putin's Black Sea fleet is worthless. NATO’s forces are far superior to Russia's and we can keep the useless Russian forces bottled up. Checkmate!
Another Tweet from aother Rebel following account.
Rebels apparently have counter-attacked, and are taking/have retaken the airport.
Several tweets saying different things, but the conclusion is that a big fight is happening south of the city, right now, while shelling of the city itself continues.
“I heard that Kiev has promised Western Ukrainians “free homes” the Russiains have left”
they might want to figure out how to pay and feed the troops, first.
Don’t forget. Putin is not afraid to photographed shirtless.
Please provide solid evidence of Russia’s “invasion” of Crimea.
“Putin’s Black Sea fleet is worthless”
For Sea CONTROL, an American Standard, yes they are.
But, the Russian Fleet has never had the mission of controlling the sea, its mission is to interdict our control of the sea routes. The ships of the Navy have always been a “Fire and Forget” weapon.
They don’t have to sink a carrier to win a fight, they just have to put one out of commission to seriously damage our offensive capability.
They don’t have to control the Eastern Med, they just have to sink a tanker in the Suez Canal to close it off.
China now finds itself in exactly the opposite dilemma now. To support its industry, it now has to be able to CONTROL its sea routes.
Dude. Putin himself admitted it. Seriously, do you follow the news?
Soros promised to do it. RT tweeted it.
“How will Russia seal off the Eastern Mediterranean from the Western Mediterranean?”
Read Tom Clancy.
He explained it, in detail, almost three decades ago.
1)The elected government in Ukraine was not forced out. Yanukovych fled the country after the parliament turned on him due to the mass shootings. The interim government was the same one that was elected in 2012 all along. Yanukovych had also already been having people kidnapped and tortured by the Berkut, and acting unconstitutionally in limiting free speech, in his suppression of the Ukrainians.
2) Russia, which is likely behind the escalation in the first place (it was Russian trained SBU agents who did the shooting), invaded Crimea while claiming it was a spontaneous reaction. Putin admitted that the "concerned citizens" in Crimea were, in fact, Russian forces.
3) All the polls in both the East and South, and the actual election that occurred, which covered the majority of the East and South, all show that the separatists only enjoy a minority of support, and this by the communists and other criminal elements. The "election" that occurred was done at gun point, and had a soviet style result of something like 89 percent, which was the exact number they said it would be before the election even occurred.
4) At no time during the truce did the Russkies stop attacking, although they constantly claimed that the Ukrainians wouldn't stop attacking.
Lastly, the whole invasion of Ukraine is, publicly, in order to reestablish the USSR's borders. This is the explicit ambition of Russia's ultranationalists (who are either communists or national socialists, real live Nazis) to establish a "Novorussiya." The idea that the Ukrainians are Nazis is just what the Russkies say about everybody all of the time anyway if they oppose the Kremlin. These same idiots are just as likely to call you a "yid," or a closet Jew, while simultaneously accusing you of being a Nazi.
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