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To: Pining_4_TX; All
Correct me if I am wrong on this... 1)Elected government of Ukraine forced out by protesters;2) Russia & government of Ukraine that was formed somehow get into it;3) people in the eastern part of Ukraine vote with Russia but the west says this election (like the first one) doesn’t count; 4)a truce is called; the current Ukraine government calls off the truce and fighting resumes.

1)The elected government in Ukraine was not forced out. Yanukovych fled the country after the parliament turned on him due to the mass shootings. The interim government was the same one that was elected in 2012 all along. Yanukovych had also already been having people kidnapped and tortured by the Berkut, and acting unconstitutionally in limiting free speech, in his suppression of the Ukrainians.

2) Russia, which is likely behind the escalation in the first place (it was Russian trained SBU agents who did the shooting), invaded Crimea while claiming it was a spontaneous reaction. Putin admitted that the "concerned citizens" in Crimea were, in fact, Russian forces.

3) All the polls in both the East and South, and the actual election that occurred, which covered the majority of the East and South, all show that the separatists only enjoy a minority of support, and this by the communists and other criminal elements. The "election" that occurred was done at gun point, and had a soviet style result of something like 89 percent, which was the exact number they said it would be before the election even occurred.

4) At no time during the truce did the Russkies stop attacking, although they constantly claimed that the Ukrainians wouldn't stop attacking.

Lastly, the whole invasion of Ukraine is, publicly, in order to reestablish the USSR's borders. This is the explicit ambition of Russia's ultranationalists (who are either communists or national socialists, real live Nazis) to establish a "Novorussiya." The idea that the Ukrainians are Nazis is just what the Russkies say about everybody all of the time anyway if they oppose the Kremlin. These same idiots are just as likely to call you a "yid," or a closet Jew, while simultaneously accusing you of being a Nazi.

60 posted on 07/13/2014 1:52:53 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“The elected government in Ukraine was not forced out.”

You try so hard to control the LAUNGUAGE of what has happened, but you can’t.

The Not-a-coup coup actually happened.
The Not-A-Nazi Nazi’s actually do exist.

The facts are simply the facts, no matter how hard you try to spin them away.


66 posted on 07/13/2014 2:04:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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