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1 posted on 07/03/2014 11:03:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Like the RINOs, I too believe the US needs way more immigration. Unlike the RINOs. I believe in the deportation or incarceration of every illegal.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 11:07:16 AM PDT by impimp
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wow, talk about open border propaganda. The only gains in employment are among older people, a lot doing greeter jobs to stay solvent. So we import illegal slaves to take away the starter jobs that kids used to do. Talk about trying to polish a coprolite.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 11:08:34 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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I suggest Jeff Jacoby move to a town near where any commercial agriculture is done. Little Mexico shit holes with high crime where drunks roam/fight in the streets and everything nearby is stripped of copper and aluminum at night - even guardrails on the highway... These people don't even begin to pay the cost of law enforcement and providing their many children with a public education.
4 posted on 07/03/2014 11:13:53 AM PDT by DB
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Increased supply reduces prices.

So if you’re a poor legal American, you should know that illegals are cutting your paycheck.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 11:15:34 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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Broadly speaking, immigrant workers and US-born workers are not substitutes but complements; because they tend to have different skills, they generally don't compete for the same jobs. Immigrants are more likely to be employed at the high or low ends of the labor market, explains Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute, while most Americans have skills in the middle. Supplying the immigrant skills needed by the economy simultaneously enlarges demand for native skills.

What hogwash. Americans have skills at every point on the employment spectrum. And the above is putting out the same sort of nonsense where the same open borders advocates claim there is a big STEM worker shortage, when facts show that there is a surplus and many cannot find work in the field for which they prepared.

And, unfortunately, many of our lower skill citizens are on one or more poverty programs, and taking a lower paying job would yield them less than government programs.

With all the Americans who are unemployed, underemployed and on government poverty programs, there is probably no shortage of workers in any field.

6 posted on 07/03/2014 11:19:04 AM PDT by Will88
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It depends on the immigrant. Does the immigrant produce more than is consumed?

Of course the same thing goes for Americans. Some children grow up to become net contributors while others consume.

8 posted on 07/03/2014 11:24:11 AM PDT by freerepublicchat
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I posted this recently that Meg Whitman, when she was running for Governor of California, said that the state had about 13% of America’s population but about 35% of its welfare recipients. And CA is, I believe, the state with the highest percentage of immigrants in the nation. So, what does this say about the benefits of immigration? Remember, even with legal immigration, we (the U.S. government) wants people from the Third World to come here and not people like the kind who made America the envy of the world in so many ways.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 11:24:58 AM PDT by bluedogpdx
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If we had a shortage of labor, wages would be going up, not down. Labor participation rates are at record low levels. Why do we need to import 1.1 million legal, permanent immigrants every year?

We have brought in 27 million legal permanent immigrants since 1990. The last two decades have been the two highest in our history. So where is this great economy that resulted from this massive inflow of foreign labor?

11 posted on 07/03/2014 11:26:25 AM PDT by kabar
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“Which helps explain why immigrants can be depicted on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays as indolent leeches who flock to the United States to go on welfare — and condemned on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays for taking away jobsthat would otherwise go to Americans. “

No inconsistency there. We’ve let enough illegals in that there are enough to both take jobs and clog the welfare rolls. That’s not even counting those who work for low wages or cash under the table AND collect benefits at the same time.

“In the zero-sum world of the anti-immigrant advocates, foreign-born workers can only gain at the expense of the native-born”

When you have high unemployment, it really is a zero-sum game. Since there are no free jobs, and very few new jobs being created, then the jobs immigrants take must come from somewhere, and it’s not from the “job fairy”.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 11:27:24 AM PDT by Boogieman
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It appears that Townhall is yet another “conservative” website that is slip-sliding away toward RulingEliteville”.

I’m removing the site from my favorites.


14 posted on 07/03/2014 11:31:58 AM PDT by House Atreides (ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FOR CHILDERS 2014 .... Don't reward bad GOPe behavior.)
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“Which helps explain why immigrants can be depicted on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays as indolent leeches who flock to the United States to go on welfare — and condemned on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays for taking away jobsthat would otherwise go to Americans.”

And the fact of the matter is that both statements are true.

Since they get both jobs and welfare with fake IDs, there is nothing to stop them from working and drawing welfare/food stamps.

Pedro works in construction either for cash, or with a fake ID claiming 10 dependents. No taxes paid, no need to file tax returns.

Pedro’s wife works as a maid with fake ID and claims single with 5 dependents. She gets a huge EIC check back from the IRS, along with welfare, food stamps, and section 8 housing.

Together they get about $60K a year in cash, and the taxpayers pay all their living expenses!


15 posted on 07/03/2014 11:37:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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I suppose this was long ago but I remember when Fresno, CA was designated an All American city. I’m not sure what that meant but I used to think that it was a very nice little city which apparently had done a number of things pretty well to become a place to be recognized and awarded and also to be emulated, you would think. But recently here I saw an a post about high crime problems now plaguing Fresno. And all the stuff I’ve read by Victor Davis Hanson, who lives near Fresno on a family farm, describing how things are changing for the worse where he’s lived for decades.

Anyway, seriously, in just this one place, Fresno, CA, what are the good things to say that the influx of immigrants has brought to the area.

I think people like Jeff Jacoby and Michael Medved and Larry Kudlow and on and on just have a mindset that is inconsistent with the TRUTH when it comes to immigration.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 11:44:16 AM PDT by bluedogpdx
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"Immigrants" are not the issue - illegal aliens are the issue.
18 posted on 07/03/2014 11:48:11 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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What a load of drivel. Illegal immigration has driven blue-collar wages down. And in 2002, during the IT slump (that I got caught up in), a half-million H1-B visa holders were brought in, even though they are only supposed to be hired if there are no Americans for the job. Half of science and engineering grads in this country don’t land jobs in their field. It’s all about keeping American wages down.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 11:53:55 AM PDT by dirtboy
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If we have a 90% unemployed rate for black teenagers in the cities, the blitzkrieg of illegal aliens working under the table at every city restaurant is not conducive to solving the black teenage problem. Business owners who hire illegals earn a “Smuggler’s Profit” and have a huge advantage over businesses that obey the law. Legal immigration prevents this from happening.

America is being taken for a sucker!

We are paying for our own unemployed, our own infirm and our own disabled and our own welfare recipients, and now we are paying for the illegals who get medical care and education and welfare. And the ones in prison, we pay for them as well. It is a no-win situation.


25 posted on 07/03/2014 12:34:28 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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Immigrants are more likely to be employed at the high or low ends of the labor market, explains Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute, while most Americans have skills in the middle.

tell that to the teens who can't find entry-level jobs after highschool, or the grandmoms, who can't find entry-level jobs after "retirement."

26 posted on 07/03/2014 12:34:49 PM PDT by blueplum
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Years ago I remember Ann Coulter writing that maybe it was before WWII when we had high levels of immigration here that about 60% of the immigrants eventually returned to their home country. Like maybe they didn’t find the “pot of gold” here. But theses were the days before all the welfare benefits were available like they are now. And also, America now gives preferred status (e.g., affirmative action) to anyone who’s non white.

And I think that LEGAL immigration is also a disaster. Born and raised people here are in short order feeling like they’re living in a foreign country where they’re not even appreciated for what legacy they and their predecessors created for the “new arrivals”. And It’s just all conspiring to very rapidly turn this country into the kind of place that elects people like Barrack Obama. In other words, I think America’s a sinking ship because of immigration policies and I don’t see the fix.


27 posted on 07/03/2014 12:45:02 PM PDT by bluedogpdx
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Jeff Jacoby has always billed himself as a conservative but, in my experience, often reaches while posing as a conservative, to deliver a message destructive of the rule of law, which is an essential quality of the American republic. Here he joins the WSJ editorial page and Larry Kudlow with the same misrepresentative argument. Those Americans who suffer actual injury under this policy of amnesty are forbidden to take legal action to recover. How does that improve the country? It doesn’t. Instead it destroys the rule of law.


28 posted on 07/03/2014 12:46:45 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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It is RACIST to impose SLAVE wages on LEGAL immigrants and minorities, by flooding the labor market with ILLEGAL Immigrants.


29 posted on 07/03/2014 12:46:50 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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Find me an English speaking landscape laborer.


30 posted on 07/03/2014 12:54:13 PM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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