Dick Cheney: Rand Paul Is Wrong On Foreign Policy

Business Insider ^ | 06/22/2014 | Hunter Walker

[rbmillerjr]

“It was already negotiated and signed before he took office.”

It was being “renegotiated” to leave a sustaining force for the transition. There was no serious effort to complete this, however.

[Gene Eric]

>> That tired leftist refrain?

The Left was “Post 9-11” on Sep 12, 2001.

[Alberta's Child]

I’m making the case that Obama made no sincere effort to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement because he signaled he was taking US troops out and made it a campaign promise.

What in heaven's name are you talking about? THE STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BEFORE OBAMA WAS IN OFFICE.

I don't know why you call me "RonPaulian" -- I couldn't even tell you three things the guy stands for.

And don't ever call me an "idiot." @SSHOLE.

[rbmillerjr]

“It’s not analysis, merely the acknowledgement of historical facts.”

Stating facts without their proper context and analysis is a form of propaganda. In this case, the liberal propaganda line.

[Fuzz]

“It was being “renegotiated” to leave a sustaining force for the transition. There was no serious effort to complete this, however.”

One of the biggest reasons, as I recall, was because Iraq would not agree to immune our troops from prosecution and the fact that they wanted us out.

[Fuzz]

Wait, first you accuse me of bad analysis and now I’m guilty of propaganda for just stating facts and not analysis?

[Alberta's Child]

Which means that the U.S. government withdrew military forces from Iraq for the same reason it's withdrawn military forces from foreign countries all over the world for more than two centuries.

You simply can't have U.S. military forces subject to foreign legal systems like that -- especially in a place like the Middle East where most governments are run by baboons.

[rbmillerjr]

RonPaulian idiot, there was an effort to renegotiate the Status of Forces Agreement to keep a small sustaining force for the transition. Though, Obama didn’t seriously negotiate so he could keep his liberal promise to get all the troops out.

[Alberta's Child]

LOL. Don’t let the facts get in the way of good old-fashioned political rants, dude.

[Fuzz]

Can’t argue with that.

[rbmillerjr]

Your liberal refrain was explained clearly above by another poster.

You’re a RonPaulian idiot and obtuse as to your faulty analysis and propaganda.

[celmak]

I’m sure everyone else knows what “agreement” means.

[Alberta's Child]

@sshole:

There isn't a single person in the U.S. military who ever would have allowed U.S. troops to remain in Iraq under the conditions that the Iraqi government was demanding. And the operative term you used was "renegotiate," wasn't it?

[rbmillerjr]

RonPaulian idiot....you’re ignoring the ruse of an attempt by Obama to renegotiate the Status of Forces Agreement. He had no intention to get an agreement, so he could withdraw all troops.

[re_nortex]

The biggest terrorist attack in our country’s history happened on his watch, that’s just a fact.

President George W. Bush and Vice-President Cheney are blameless when it comes to 9/11. The responsibility rests with the muzzie enablers of the leftist KKKlintoon gang:

The 9/11 commission identified several Clinton failures, including four missed chances to kill Osama bin Laden, and a failure to adopt “a more aggressive counterterrorism posture” after Al Qaeda’s initial attacks.

The Clinton administration sent a signal to Al Qaeda that terrorism would succeed in pushing the United States out of the Middle East when, in response to the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the U.S. pulled back its diplomatic presence in the region. Clinton answered with an ineffectual cruise missile attack on Afghanistan and Sudan; Al Qaeda followed up with its deadly attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000.

Those are the undeniable facts reported in 9/11: A Clinton Legacy.

[Fuzz]

“You’re a RonPaulian”

Nope.

“idiot”

Quite possibly.

“and obtuse as to your faulty analysis and propaganda”

Alrighty.

[Alberta's Child]

@sshole: I never mentioned the renegotiation of the Status of Forces Agreement by the Obama administration until you posted it here on this thread. Everything I said up to that point -- and everything I'm saying now -- is predicated on the understanding that the 2008 Status of Forces Agreement was binding on both parties (Iraq and the U.S.).

"Renegotiating" agreements like that are a waste of time. I used to be involved in that sort of thing, and what I've learned over time is that if you have to renegotiate them, then you're dealing with someone who doesn't have the legal authority or the basic competence to negotiate with you. In my line of business we'd call those parties we dealt with like that "Indian tribes," "aboriginal bands" and "tribal chiefs."

It sounds to me like Iraq is no different than the Powder River Basin of Wyoming in that regard.

[SunkenCiv]

• Sec. of State Kerry: U.S. Not Responsible for Chaos in Iraq, Libya
• NANCY PELOSI: IRAQ IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY
• Paul Blames Iraq Crisis on Bush Administration
• Rand Paul Defends Obama Against Dick Cheney

Yeah, it's the fault of the Koch Brothers and other one percenters! /s

[SunkenCiv]

Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'

Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]

[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks SeekAndFind.