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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA
I have all seven of the POTA movies on DVD and Blu-Ray (gee, this guy might be a fan!) so I'll add my 2 cents on the franchise. I encourage people to check out all of the films, although 2 or 3 are them are painful:

Planet of the Apes (1968) - The original classic, this is a brilliant, landmark sci-fi movie. Rod Serling co-wrote it so it has the fun feeling of a 2 hour long, color, big budget Twilight Zone episode. Like the best sci-fi, it has political undertones and I can see why young earth creationists would hate it because it does a great job poking fun as their talking points. The makeup looks silly now but was stunningly realistic for 1968. Apparently the twist ending also shocked audiences in 1968, and they had no idea it was coming and left the theater stunned (though again, today's audiences might wonder why all the Apes speak English on a different “planet”, but apparently this was a common device in 1960s sci-fi and audiences just accepted it). Began the tradition of all POTA movies having shocking, depressing, twist ending (except Battle, which sucks because of the “happy” ending)

Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) - Strangely enough, the second film is one of the worst in the series and feels like it cheapens the first one. The first 40 minutes are actually fairly decent and watchable (though nowhere on par with the first film), but once they live up to the title and get “Beneath” the planet, it falls apart. Heston's brief appearance is pointless aside from putting his name on the poster, and the ending is even more twisted and bleaker, ironically meant to end the series, but we got...

Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) - Possibly the best of the cheesy 70s sequels. This film works very well because it inverts the premise of the first film (which itself was an invert of our own world), so it presents how “modern society” (at least, the 1970s version) would react if we discovered two intelligent talking Apes. There's lots of comedy but aside from the ludicrous premise of them being able to “repair” Heston's spacecraft and go back in time, the rest of the movie stays grounded and becomes increasingly realistic and dark. And it features yet another brilliant, dark, depressing twist ending (though not on par with the legendary ending of the original)

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) - Directly picks up where the last one left off, and its also one of the better 70s sequels. Surprisingly, Roddy McDowell carries the movie as Caesar. The “futuristic 1990s” city looks dated now, but its still well paced, entertaining, and took the franchise in a new direction. The premise that everyone now owns Apes because “all the cats and dogs in the world died off in some plague” didn't work for me, though. Perhaps the most violent and creepy of the seven movies, even moreso than the 2011 version (which told a similar story)

Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973) - End of the original Apes universe, and it died off with a whimper. This one sucks and is possibly worse than Beneath. Of course, it may be because of the low budget being used in movie that requires a much bigger scope with a future society of Apes. Still, a lot the script and actors suck too. The premise didn't work at all for me – it's only 20 years after Conquest but somehow all the Apes now have the same clothing and technology their descendants will have in the first movie, set thousands of years in the future! The ending is cringe-worthy It does have ONE excellent thing going for it though – John Huston plays the Ape “lawgiver” that we saw a statue of in the first two movies.

Planet of the Apes (2001) - Tim Burton's “re-imagining” of the 1968 movie (which is Hollywood speak for “this is a remake except we got rid of all the stuff that made the original good). Having Marky Mark play the Charleton Heston type astronaut character was an epic fail for me, and so was making all the female apes look like Michael Jackson in an attempt to give them human feminine beauty standards. Still, the REST of the cast was pretty solid and this movie is not as bad as people make it out to be. The first 2/3rds of the movie are actually watchable and fairly entertaining as a popcorn film (with none of the memorial lines or biting political satire in the original). The climax of the movie falls apart, and they tried to top the original's twist ending by doing something “closer to the book”, but it makes zero sense and the only people who enjoyed it were neo-confederates (“Ape Lincoln memorial! Take that, tyrant!”) Sorry if I gave away the “surprise” but trust me, it sucks.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011) - Wonderful film. It blows away any of the 70s movies, and the only reason I won't rank it #1 is because its impossible to top the iconic 1968 movie. It is NOT a sequel, prequel, or remake of any of the previous films. It basically takes the same premise as the fourth film, Conquest (intelligent Ape named Caesar overthrows humanity), and does it in a completely new light with a new spin. Like the 1968 movie, it has landmark special effects – in this case, the first film to have computer generated, stunningly realistic non-human characters interact with human actors. (sorry Avatar, you can't hold a candle to this, although the blue people were decent looking) Has some subtle commentary about modern society but lacks the biting edge and blatant parody of the original. Still, the science aspect is probably the best of the 7 movies (aside from the obvious fact that even an “intelligent” mutated Ape couldn't speak due to the way their vocal cords are designed), AND it has a jaw-dropping reveal in the middle of the film, and yes, an awesome “bleak twist ending” (this time as a mid credits sequence) that isn't as good as the 1968 movie but suited this film perfectly and neatly tied up the one plot hole at the end (“so, now that the Apes wreaked havoc in san Francisco, how would they take over an entire planet of 6 billion humans? They're far outnumbered...") A must see movie.

Definitely looking forward to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014), which will be direct sequel to Rise. It has high expectations to deliver on, so I pray they don't screw it up. For those who are curious, here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpSaTrW4leg

84 posted on 06/26/2014 10:18:32 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: BillyBoy

Based on your strong recommendation, I’ll look to see “Rise”.


85 posted on 06/26/2014 11:02:10 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: BillyBoy

Wow, Billy, you ARE a fan ! ;-D


87 posted on 06/26/2014 11:12:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: BillyBoy; sickoflibs; NFHale; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

I guess you’re a fan of the franchise?


91 posted on 06/27/2014 7:02:33 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA
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To: BillyBoy; NFHale; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA
RE:”Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011) - Wonderful film. It blows away any of the 70s movies, and the only reason I won't rank it #1 is because its impossible to top the iconic 1968 movie. “

Good special effects, but dumb plot.

Shoot those dumb apes gunny.
It's open season.

I always got a kick of Beneath the Planet of the Apes ( 1970)as its the first one I got my dad to take me to,
But I think they may have played the original with it.. In 1968 I was still young enough that the original would have kept me awake all night scared, in fact even in 1970 I think I lied in bed waiting for those apes to come get me after seeing it,

James Gregory and the ape army on horseback is fun stuff for a kid. They had no machines but two of the chimps (Zira and Cornelius) fixed the spaceship that was sunk and flooded in the lake and flew back in time(supposedly at the end) , Man was that stupid, Charlton Heston only did the cameos in it on condition that Taylor gets killed off. Roddy McDowell wasn't even playing Cornelius in Beneath.

I still watch it when it comes on.

105 posted on 06/27/2014 9:26:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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