I saw about half of it and its taped so I will see the rest,
Very interesting ....there were some people saying democracy was taking root.....I think Islam is the antithesis of Democracy so its at the root of the problem...At the same time Bush had lots of reasons to go into Iraq and I think Cheney laid it out pretty well the other day.
Bush may have been overly optimistic,but given the situation I think he had to try.
I do think it could still improve but we are looking at many more years of pain.
Probably the worst thing Obama has squandered is our intelligence capability...We had little to none before 911 and to lose the gains that were made in that area is criminal
As long as Islam exists, there will be no improvement. There are a couple thousand years of history to back that up.
Even if you went nuts and genocide everyone over 2 years of age and raised them as ‘us’, enough would grow up to learn the history, pine for the caliphate and restart the whole mess. You’d have to nuke the rock, wipe all traces of islam from history and even then they would find out their past because some liberal would tell them, leave out the violence of islam and make them hate us all over again.
there is no solution. They have to be quarantined from civilization and allowed to be what they are. And fought when they try escaping the blockade. Or eradicated to the man. And that ain’t gonna happen.
Harsh? Yup. Also true.
We had to penetrate into that world, and bring the modern world into it, we need to maintain that opening.
We can’t leave those people alone to bubble in their own oil wealth, 21st century technology, nuclear weapons and totally isolated, dictator controlled 7th century peasants, isolation.
Yep, you are right.
For another 50-60 years do not bother trying to install democracy in the middle-east. May be by then all the adults in charge will be dead and the new generation exposed to Facebook & twitter will think different. Just may be.
The reason is it has everything to do with religion of Islam which as you correctly say is antithesis of democracy. India was never a democracy before 1947, it was ruled by kingdoms since 4000 years ago. But now it is the worlds largest democracy for continuous 67 years without military coup’s or other “benevolent” dictators. Why? Because 85% of Indians are not Muslims.
Bush/Cheney never lived in any Muslim countries, they relied on expatriates from Iraq who told them Iraqi’s will welcome them with flowers as liberators. Next time ask more people who are actually living in Muslim countries. Heck even I knew Iraq would not turn democratic for 50 years minimum.
As for 911, none of the terrorists had origins in Iraq. Bush was worried about chemical WMD’s Saddam had already used and the yellow cake transactions. But still there was zero evidence Saddam had plans to attack USA. His main goal was to counter-balance his arch enemy, Iran.
OK, so Bush/Cheney did decide to invade Iraq. Saddam was ousted. If they stopped there and left, that would have been not so bad. But then we spent Billions in nation building and attempt to democratize Iraq. That was utter waste of blood and treasure.
Please, future presidents, do not waste any more blood and treasure trying to democratize any Muslim country for 50 more years.