Posted on 06/17/2014 4:24:37 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
The names, ages, and causes of death of all 796 children who died at St. Mary's Home ... in Tuam, Co. Galway from 1925 to 1960 have been published in full, below.
The list is long, and reading it is a horrifying heartbreaking experience - though nowhere near as horrifying as the short lives of the children who died, or as heartbreaking as the sheer number of lost little lives.
When she began her research, Catherine Corless ... the local historian who set out to uncover the truth about the bones buried at the site of the former Mother and Baby Home, had no idea the number of deaths would be that high.
As she told Irish Central's Cahir O'Doherty ... she was simply looking for records - something neither the Order of the Bon Secours nuns, who ran the home, nor the Western Health Board, were able to help her with.
"Eventually I had the idea to contact the registry office in Galway. I remembered a law was enacted in 1932 to register every death in the country.
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(Excerpt) Read more at irishcentral.com ...
“You may think anyone who talks about this only does so from an attitude of bigotry against Catholics”
No, not “anyone.” You.
And you have not a shred either, because oddly enough the nuns aren't talking. I'm not particularly put off by the diversions and bashing, in case you haven't noticed. I've been keeping up to date and have continued to post information as it becomes available.
If you don't want to know what happened and don't care to see this set right, then that's certainly your prerogative.
“And you have not a shred either”
Yes, I do. I have a few shreds gleaned from articles I have read. You, apparently, either missed those articles or do not care to integrate that information into your view of these events.
“I’m not particularly put off by the diversions and bashing”
Oh, my, are you going to start inventing “bashing” again? Never mind that it hasn’t happened; you just go ahead and say it has. That false witness thing doesn’t apply to you.
“I’ve been keeping up to date and have continued to post information as it becomes available.”
If you have been keeping up to date, then you have made a conscious decision not to post information that shows your bigoted hysteria for what it is.
“If you don’t want to know what happened”
Most of us, if we are to judge by your posts, have been doing a better job than you of learning what happened.
“and don’t care to see this set right”
Set right? So, verdict first, facts later. You’ve already decided that there has been grievous misconduct, and you will not hear of any other outcome.
That said, what do you propose to do that will set this right? You’re a protestant, so you won’t care if they had the Sacrament of Last Rites, and it shouldn’t bother you that they were not buried in consecrated ground. You don’t believe in the Baptism of children, either.
It was the usual practice to bury paupers in unmarked graves, so it’s hard to see how you can honestly beat the Church with that stick.
You don’t want to see anything “set right.” You want to see as much opprobrium as possible heaped upon the One, Holy, and Apostolic Church as a result not only of what happened, but of any lie you can sell. (And no, that is not “mind reading.” It is easily observed from your conduct.)
“then that’s certainly your prerogative.”
It is also my prerogative to see through hypocritical BS. And I’m good at it.
What I need to remember is that the very sisters that fed and cared for those children cannot be harmed by this sort of empty calumny. They are beyond that now. You can’t hurt them.
My goodness, what a screed. I want to see those dead children properly buried and memorialized. You want it to all go away. I’ll continue to post new information as it comes up. You’ll continue to rationalize, divert, excuse and sweep it under the rug, not that such a reaction has ever led to anything but grief in the past for the church you purport to love and want to protect.
“My goodness, what a screed.”
Oh, oh, you’re bashing me.
“I want to see those dead children properly buried and memorialized.”
No, you don’t. If you were offered the choice of alternative (1), the Catholic Church is damaged by the scandal but the children are not “properly buried and memorialized;” or (2) it turns out that there was no misconduct by the Church or anyone associated with the Church but the children are “properly buried and memorialized,” you’d jump on (1) like a damned soul on an ice cube.
“You want it to all go away.”
That is a deliberate lie, told with the intent of angering me and deceiving any third parties who might be reading.
“I’ll continue to post new information as it comes up.”
No you won’t. You’ll continue to post anything negative you find, plausible or not, and to ignore anything exculpatory.
“You’ll continue to rationalize”
I suppose a certain minimum level of intelligence is required to discern the difference between rationalization and an exculpatory fact or argument.
“for the church you purport to love and want to protect.”
Trying to slip another lie past, eh? Oh, well, habits die hard, especially when one takes so much satisfaction from them.
Careful...make sure it’s not your OWN bigotry that is peeking out. Since you cannot know my thoughts or motivations, you are only attempting to mind read and failing badly at it.
Flail away, dsc. It’s just not having the effect you desire. I’ll continue following published reports on this, hope that the Irish government inquiry gets at the truth of the matter and that these children can be laid to rest in peace. They haven’t been by your standards or mine.
Not YET anyway. Most of those nuns are dead and we may never know completely what went on there. I've already said multiple times that I hope it doesn't show willful neglect or intentional abuse. When and if the investigation reveals that such things DID happen, will you be apologizing to all those you have smeared and slandered and accused of joining the Liberal Catholic-hating media? Will that happen? It's too bad your misdirected outrage isn't geared more towards events going on NOW across the world that CAN be changed.
“Since you cannot know my thoughts or motivations”
Road apples. I can know as much as you disclose, and everything that necessarily follows therefrom—and that is a lot more than you would think, and a whole lot more than you desired.
“Flail away, dsc.”
Howls, Bruce. Howls of derisive laughter.
Check the heart of your position for the scalpel. You’ll find it, if you have eyes to see—which you don’t.
What I want to know is why someone on a conservative message board have joined forces with the liberal media to AUTOMATICALLY convict these nuns before any investigation has been completed. It is the liberal sites like the Gardian, Huffington Post and MSNBC that keeps fanning the flames of this story instead of giving these nuns the benefit of the doubt and that’s despicable. It it were protestant Christians involved I would feel the exact same way. Try reading the articles from FORBES magazine, Lifesite News and National Catholic Register for a fair analysis of what has transpired so far. Catholic bashers on FR and liberals joining forces to put down the Catholic Church. It’s shameful the way some on here constantly post articles from left-wing websites to try and prove their point. It’s pathetic.
Whatever you’re on about has no impact one way or the other, dsc. You’ll clearly believe whatever you want to believe, inconvenient facts be damned. I just happen to be one of those who are seeking out facts that you find damnable. So be it. Pound the table, shriek, wave your hands in the air. Maybe it’ll distract somebody.
“You’re the guy who proclaimed there is and has NEVER been any anti-Protestant bigotry expressed on Free Republic and who continued to stubbornly state so even after multiple examples were given to you”
Jeez, stop lying. Oh, but I guess your boss won’t let you.
None of the “examples” were examples of bigotry.
“Whatever you’re on about has no impact one way or the other, dsc.”
So, did you fail to understand it, or just realize that you have no answer?
“You’ll clearly believe whatever you want to believe, inconvenient facts be damned.”
Utter nonsense. You have never seen anyone with my level of objectivity, or my willingness to accept and deal with facts that prove me wrong. Never.
“I just happen to be one of those who are seeking out facts that you find damnable.”
Hysterical. You’re not seeking facts of any description. You’re just looking for a stick to beat the Church with.
“Pound the table, shriek, wave your hands in the air.”
Well, now, that would be a pretty neat trick, considering that all of this is in ASCII text. What else did I do in this text box? Did I hit anyone? Just because you feel like you’re lying in the gutter bleeding doesn’t mean that I’ve done anything wrong.
If you don’t like feeling like you’re lying in the gutter bleeding, try being right.
Now you’re just degenerating into deluded self-congratulation and bloviation. Go waste someone else’s time, OK?
“Now you’re just degenerating into deluded self-congratulation and bloviation. Go waste someone else’s time, OK?”
Your inability to muster a rational response just makes me more eager to get out of here.
However, should you again become so unbearably obnoxious, I might jump in again.
By all means. I certainly don’t want to get between yourself and the exit, dsc.
“I certainly don’t want to get between yourself and the exit, dsc.”
You didn’t mind trying to get between me and the truth.
The truth on my right hand, dsc on my left. Decisions, decisions.
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