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To: markomalley

The do-nothing isolationist crowd speaketh.

By all means, leave Israel surrounded by enemies. (Just like Ron Paul wants.) They’ll leave the Great Satan alone then, won’t they? and still sell us oil too.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 3:51:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Then let Israel deal with them. Anyone Congressional candidate who runs on this campaign slogan will win re-election in November in a landslide:

No more U.S. military commitments in Third World sh!t-holes.

5 posted on 06/16/2014 3:56:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Olog-hai

Essentially, that’s the US position now. What, me worry?

Obama shrugs this off as a playground fight, “stupid stuff,” and his slightly more articulate advisers scoff that it’s just “sectarianism.”

These groups really don’t give a darn about the sect; most of them may be Sunnis, but they’ve been killing Sunnis, too, if they’re allied with the civil authority of the former state of Iraq. What these people want to do - and what they have even announced they want to do - is build a trans-national and even trans-sectarian caliphate.

And they don’t plan to limit it to the ME. I happened to see some photos on Twitter of some of their fighters yesterday, and guess what - a group of them were clearly blond. Probably they were from Chechnya, or possibly they were the European or American jihadis who are flocking to Iraq right now.

In any case, this is neither a “regional conflict” or a “sectarian conflict.” This is Islam, seeing its chance because of the weakness of the West and the fact that it has the sympathy of American leaders. Israel is not the only place that should be worried right now.

And shrugging them off as rag-tag rowdies is ridiculous. Aside from the fact that this attack has got them $2.5 billion in new assets (they’re paying fighters as much as $600 per month, a good sum in the ME), not to mention modern US equipment, they are organized militarily and are moving right along, taking city after city.


13 posted on 06/16/2014 4:08:28 AM PDT by livius
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To: Olog-hai

History does not repeat itself, but it ryhmes. The US financially is in many ways like the West Roman Empire, Financially broke and politically divided. The average US citizen had enough of war, especially when it costs lives and treasure at a time when our cities and infrastructure is collapsing due to lack of funds. A few more Iraq and Afghanistan and the US will financially implode from all her debts. We are forced to adopt the strategy of the East Roman Empire. Due to lack of funds and manpowe, the ERE deployed diplomacy and used dirty tricks to keept their enemies fighting amongst themselves. Right now the US needs the Shiites and Sunnis killing each other. Sometimes doing nothing is a strategy. Not everything Ron Paul proposes is crazy. The US after WW2 made the strategic mistake of supporting the partition of British Palestine into a homeland for Jewish refugees in an area surrounding by nationalistic Arabs who were against it. At that time Britain and US were powerful and the Arabs were not, thus the Jews thought they can get away with it. Maybe if they beat the Arabs in several conventional wars, the Arabs will give up and accept the Jewish homeland. Problem is the Arabs did not give up, they persisted and closed the tech gap that gave Israel and the US unlimited power over the Arab resistance. Gen Marshall the Sec of State at the time when Pres Truman was in charge actually forsaw the mess. The US cannot be the ally of Saudi Arabia (oil) and at the same time offend the Arabs by insisting on a homeland for Jews. He predicted decades of trouble for the US for this diplomatic mistep. 6M Jews vs 300M Arabs and expect peace? Even a kid in 8th grade will figure that is trouble. That is my 2 cents. The sad part is all this could have been avoided if the leaders after WW2 thought with their brains and not their emotions. Ironic the US leaders that skillfully lead the nation in WW2 against the Nazis and Japan, gave into emotions and not long term strategic thinking. Sad part is the US must see this through (we tried to avoid another Holocaust by creating a nation that may be the next site of a Holocaust). Eventually the Arabs will get their act together and march on to Israel. It will end when the Arabs drive the Jews into the sea or the Jews nuking the ME.


20 posted on 06/16/2014 4:20:05 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: Olog-hai
By all means, leave Israel surrounded by enemies.

And if we were to send troops in, send B-2s on bombing runs, or any other action…Israel will still be surrounded by enemies.

The only way for Israel not to be surrounded by enemies is if Islam is eradicated from the face of the planet. And, even then, Israel would have its share of enemies (though the ones that remain would likely not be as homicidal).

Do you think that Americans have the stomach to do what needs to be done? How about our European allies? Will they have the stomach to go to the millions of Muslims that they've allowed in their midst and demand that they repudiate their beliefs or be gunned down? Far more likely that modern European states demand that Christians apostatize or die.

Over the past 4,000 years, Israel has been surrounded by enemies. God has always protected Israel…as long as Israel didn't do a nose-dive into sin, and even then He always managed to rescue them after they've learned their lesson and returned to Him. Sure, we could act to shield Israel, but as long as this government plays with that garbage "religion of peace" BS and try to save these savages from themselves while allowing them to continue to utter their blasphemies, nothing is going to change.

The only way that the problem can be solved is for God to get "Old Testament" on the enemies of Israel.

28 posted on 06/16/2014 4:24:52 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Olog-hai

I agree with the let them kill each other sentiment.

But, it only works in a vacuum and the ultimate problem is, will they be sufficiently weakened by such an activity or will the eventual victor be empowered and emboldened to aggressively wage war further out from their lands.

If we were to corral them, let anyone who wanted to go in, in, but nobody can leave, it might be an effective strategy.

I do like the conditions that he has placed, no islamic states, secular states only if you want our help. As he rightly points out if you help muslim group A, muslim group B is now your enemy. further complicating the issue is that even if muslim group A wins, they are ungrateful and will turn around and wage war against you infidels.

I don’t have an answer here besides killing them all, and destroying every vestige of islam.


72 posted on 06/16/2014 5:16:17 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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