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Horrifying Collateral Damage Inflicted by the War on Drugs
Townhall.com ^ | June 4, 2014 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 06/04/2014 12:17:09 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m with the health community on this.

Quit prosecuting those who are simply users. Allow them to access medical care without worrying about getting prosecuted and allow the medical community to help them leave functional lives.


21 posted on 06/04/2014 1:10:19 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Boomer One

Doubtful. There is a decades long history of this sort of thing. The judges don’t care. The cops don’t care. The politicians don’t care.


22 posted on 06/04/2014 1:16:55 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s not a white flag, it’s the better solution. Legalizing without excessive taxation and allowing the corporate world to take over is the right answer. We don’t have beer companies getting into wars in the street, nobody worries what their Johnny Walker has been cut with. It’s not surrender to realize that 90% of the problems with drugs are because it’s a black market, and the other 10% is people that are going to find a way to destroy their lives anyway the only variable is method.


23 posted on 06/04/2014 1:17:36 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: discostu

You seriously cannot equate beer and liquor to marijuana, meth and cocaine. You might as well solve our murder problems by surrendering in the WOM.

That is the better analogy.


24 posted on 06/04/2014 1:22:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: WMarshal

“The “War on Drugs” is only being prosecuted aggressive enough to keep the drug prices high, the cartels and gangs profitable, and the prison guard unions happy.”

I would add this thought: a realist must see the War on Drugs as a success for the cartels and their captured government regulators. As with other regulated industries, crony capitalism rules; in this case, a particularly murderous group of wealthy cronies rules.

Let me repeat, the War on Drugs is a success from the perspective that actually drives policy.


25 posted on 06/04/2014 1:25:58 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeah I can, because in the end they’re all just mind altering substances that people use for entertainment and sometimes get hooked too. Out here in reality, away from the WOD hyperbole, alcohol is one of the most addictive substances around, with significantly nastier (even potentially fatal) withdrawal symptoms than almost everything we’ve made illegal. So the real problem with equating beer and liquor to marijuana, meth and coke is how much worse beer and liquor are for your body.

And I’m not actually drawing analogies, I’m pointing out that we have legal mind altering substances that don’t have most of the problems that surround the illegal ones. And with the legal ones we’ve already shown how abjectly making them illegal failed, and how it CREATED all those black market problems, and how re-legalizing got rid of them. Remember ALL of this stuff was legal once upon a time, and none of them were more of a problem when they were legal than they are now.

It’s not surrendering, it’s admitting the stupidest mistake in the history of the country.


26 posted on 06/04/2014 1:28:36 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You’re right. Alcohol is far more destructive than marijuana.


27 posted on 06/04/2014 1:29:31 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: areukiddingme1
Drugs destroy lives!

Indeed. If we have to burn infants alive to stop a drug dealer from possibly flushing his farm down the toilet, it's just the price we have to pay for a more effective police state.

28 posted on 06/04/2014 1:36:57 PM PDT by zeugma (I have never seen anyone cross the street to avoid a black man in a suit.)
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To: zeugma

This was bad police work or actually the lack of police work all around. These cops should all be in prison for a long time.

That does not mean drugs should be legalized


29 posted on 06/04/2014 1:38:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Gen.Blather

You’re extraordinarily lucky they didn’t sieze the house as well. Lots of money to be made by all parties involved drug prohibition II on both sides.


30 posted on 06/04/2014 1:44:53 PM PDT by zeugma (I have never seen anyone cross the street to avoid a black man in a suit.)
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To: zeugma

“You’re extraordinarily lucky they didn’t seize the house as well. Lots of money to be made by all parties involved drug prohibition II on both sides.”

I asked a lawyer and he said that rental property was exempt unless the owner was doing it. They only seize property that is paid for or mostly paid for. They don’t mess with banks.


31 posted on 06/04/2014 1:47:56 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: discostu
It’s not surrendering, it’s admitting the stupidest mistake in the history of the country.

Logical arguments aren't going to do any good. There is a huge base of folks who are either profiting from the war on drugs or are just neo-puritain control freaks who don't like to admit being no better than the leftist control freaks who want to do away with soft drinks.

 

32 posted on 06/04/2014 1:49:53 PM PDT by zeugma (I have never seen anyone cross the street to avoid a black man in a suit.)
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To: zeugma

Slowly but surely I’ve noticed some of the neo-puritans starting to soften. They’re at least starting to admit the WOD is not only not working but is actually making problems. It’s a big step.


33 posted on 06/04/2014 1:57:38 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: Wolfie

Right.

Unless we bring marijuana consumption up to levels of beer drinking.

Then we have another story.


34 posted on 06/04/2014 2:01:00 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

Lord Jesus, please heal this innocent child.

There are too many stories of how the WOD has become a War of Terror against innocent people.


35 posted on 06/04/2014 2:03:04 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Then I guess we’ll have to make alcohol illegal again. With the new laws and technology available, it’s quite do-able.


36 posted on 06/04/2014 2:03:12 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: discostu

And as I said. Making murder legal will solve all our illegal murder problems too.

But for you to argue that meth and coke is not as dangerous as beer and liquor tells me I’ve been discussing things with a moron.

Good Afternoon.


37 posted on 06/04/2014 2:05:23 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Gen.Blather

your gettin’ close..

a JUDGE HAS to sign off on all these warrants...

the judges are the first in the line of those that need to be reigned in


38 posted on 06/04/2014 2:06:17 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: Kaslin

War on drugs, my a$$. It’s a War on the American People.


39 posted on 06/04/2014 2:06:24 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Wolfie; discostu

I don’t think so. But I’m betting discostu might agree that alcohol should be illegal once again.

After all - he believes its more dangerous than coke or meth. (Which should be legal.)


40 posted on 06/04/2014 2:08:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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