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Disabled man is killed; estate billed nearly $12M
www.myfoxny.com ^ | Updated: May 28, 2014 7:54 PM CST | By MICHAEL VIRTANEN

Posted on 05/30/2014 10:33:49 AM PDT by Red Badger

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Two years after a 33-year-old mentally disabled man died at a state institution in Queens, and one year after his sister filed a lawsuit accusing the staff of killing him, New York officials have sent her an $11.67 million bill.

The claim against Rasheen Rose's estate cited his total Medicaid assistance from Aug. 6, 2002, through Aug. 6, 2012, the day he died.

A spokeswoman for the Office for People with Developmental Disabilities, which runs the center, said Wednesday officials were following federal Medicaid obligations in seeking reimbursement.

"Not doing so would be a violation and could put federal Medicaid funding at risk," spokeswoman Jennifer O'Sullivan said.

Medicaid, a state and federal program for the poor, doesn't typically demand reimbursement.

But Ilann Maazel, an attorney who has filed lawsuits against the state after others died in state care, said other claim notices recently have been sent to families suing.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: medicaid
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To: camle

If he was approved to be on Medicaid, then he didn’t have it in the first place.................

If someone has that kind of resources, they sure as heck ain’t gonna be going to some state institution for car....................


21 posted on 05/30/2014 11:05:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: trisham

I’ve been executor, once. Thankfully my dad had his affairs in order and his will was very clearcut. Everything was left to my mother. Some estates are a mess. His wasn’t, thankfully. I was still in shock from his passing, I think.


22 posted on 05/30/2014 11:08:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Red Badger

“The notarized bill, sent to Rose’s estate in March, was for paid Medicaid assistance from August 2002 up to Rose’s death.

The state agency is demanding to be paid the staggering amount if Luke prevails in her suit and is awarded punitive damages.”

The state is insane...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-killed-disabled-man-11m-bill-article-1.1808713


23 posted on 05/30/2014 11:12:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Red Badger

Well that’s one way to up the tensions :-)


24 posted on 05/30/2014 11:12:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Red Badger

i tend to agree with you, but if he comes into a sudden windfall, say a winning lottery ticket, or successful lawsuit, why shouldn’t the taxpayers get their money back?
the lawsuit is supposedly for damages, and it’s the taxpayers who are damaged. sounds like the family might be looking =for a windfall of their own.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 11:12:57 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: piytar

Read a little deeper, the claim is against her brother’s estate.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 11:13:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: camle

Offsetting claims... Medicare/Medicaid is supposedly an equal opportunity estate biller.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 11:13:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: camle
um... medicaid i.e us taxpayers paid 12 million for this guys care.ok, but if he has 12 million to pay it off, how many other people are spending millions of taxpayer dollars when they have their own resources? if he can afford to pay it back, (his estate) then shouldn’t he?

Calculate it out. The charges come out to $3,197 per day. There is nowhere in this country that receives medicaid reimbursements this high. Hospitals are lucky to collect a couple of hundred dollars and well below the actual costs.

This is a punitive attack on the Plaintiffs.
28 posted on 05/30/2014 11:15:14 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: ltc8k6

Wow.

Good catch. Very interesting.


29 posted on 05/30/2014 11:15:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: ltc8k6

Well if it IS resource based, it kind of makes sense. Just as though they had won the lottery.

If no award gets awarded then no resource is there and it’s moot. Not even Medicare/Medicaid thinks it can get blood from a turnip.


30 posted on 05/30/2014 11:15:38 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

My calculator says they charged the gubmit $3250 a day! Must have been some kind of hospital! If Medicaid is anything like Medicare, the hospital charges an obscene rate and then accepts a drastic make-down, with the remainder obviously charges against income taxes.

Sadly this is amount not surprising and that “our gubmit” is pissing money away like a Lotto winner.


31 posted on 05/30/2014 11:16:19 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Attorney Ilann Maazel said others who have filed lawsuits on behalf of loved ones who have died in state care have received similar bills.

Assemblyman Harvey Weisenberg (D-Long Island) said the bills are clearly meant as retaliation.”

I agree, it’s nothing more than retaliation, and an attempt to get them to drop the lawsuits.

It’s beyond the pale.


32 posted on 05/30/2014 11:16:52 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: camle

They may be but it’s a rare case indeed where a decedent has suddenly become wealthy just prior to their death. The bureaucrats don’t care, they just fill out the proper forms and follow the laws as written, whether they are insipid or not.....................


33 posted on 05/30/2014 11:17:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So, be on medicaid long enough, and the state’s position is that they are entitled to kill you with absolute impunity.


34 posted on 05/30/2014 11:18:34 AM PDT by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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To: PA Engineer

The math might be fishy, who knows. But again maybe they need to pay a nanny $90 for every $10 that gets doled out for services.

I am quite detached from this, having gone briefly through the belly of the Medicaid beast (a job that lasted 8 weeks until the boss decided I was being too high profile) and understanding QUITE how crazy it can be.

Suffice it to say there is a lot of potential poop that could hit the fan. Yeah go ahead LET them make these outlandish claims... and then explain them. Maybe they and the suers deserve one another.


35 posted on 05/30/2014 11:18:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ltc8k6

They COULD wait until the award happens, then claw it back, if they were wise accountants.


36 posted on 05/30/2014 11:19:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: X-spurt

$10K a month would be pretty high. They’re pushing $100K. It’s punitive for suing, no way around it.


37 posted on 05/30/2014 11:20:04 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: TheConservator

Through a kafkaesque twist like this, maybe. Or they dare you to stop it, even though it is Calvinball as hell.


38 posted on 05/30/2014 11:20:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well they have... now let them explain it. Tell us where that extra order of magnitude of money went. We’re dying to hear.


39 posted on 05/30/2014 11:21:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Red Badger

I had a cousin that was on welfare and medicaid and my aunt had to write him out of her will because the State would have taken every dime in reimbursement.


40 posted on 05/30/2014 11:25:12 AM PDT by dalereed
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