Posted on 05/25/2014 3:22:47 PM PDT by Twotone
In the great dispute over utilization of our Federal lands in the West, the attempt is frequently made to end run the arguments over how best to manage those lands by asserting the Federal government has no capacity to own the lands. The argument goes that since the Constitution is a delegation of enumerated powers, if there is no provision therein for ownership of land, the Federal government must lack standing to be a legitimate owner. This is not an idle question. It is said to have given Jefferson great pause prior to deciding to make the Louisiana Purchase.
However, there is excellent authority in the Constitution for Federal ownership of property including territory, which is simply a peculiar form of property.
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/johnny
After 30 years of doing various things from working in the corporate world to owning two businesses, I ended up as a Federal government employee. I help keep our warfighters from getting killed....it is the most rewarding thing I have ever done professionally. I am not ashamed of that.
Indeed. One of the unpublished problems is that there are hundreds, if not thousands of feral horses in Nevada, many in the Bundy area. They are eating the place bare and drinking it dry. The BLM claims it has no funds to gather them up and instead, cut the ranchers' grazing allotments "to preserve the wilderness area".
Here's an article about it in the local newspaper: Debate continues on feral horse issue
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You don't address my point that Texas doesn't seem to have a problem owning vast swathes of land. The responsibilities are obviously not debilitating. I don't see Texas trying to give the Feds any land.
Federal lands need to be turned over to the States. It's not as big of a problem as you make it out to be. Excuses be damned.
The federal government needs to be reduced in size and scope to fit back in the constitutional box it came in. That's what conservatives work for.
/johnny
“The federal government needs to be reduced in size and scope to fit back in the constitutional box it came in. That’s what conservatives work for.”
Agreed but there is a right way and a wrong way to tackle any given problem. Texas seems to be on the right track but every place isn’t Texas. They have different problems, concerns and interests, all of which need to be weighed and addressed when coming up with solutions. I don’t disagree with you in a general philosophical sense, however I disagree with your assessment of the ease with which this problem can be solved.
I want solutions but not ones that were so carelessly thought out that they screw over the same people they were intended to help.
“Good” intentions and lack of critical long term thinking got us into this (government) mess. The same won’t get us out of it.
Bingo. Sell the land to American citizens.
Excuses, and putting off what needs to be done while studies are done damn sure won't get us out of the mess we're in.
The cautious approach is destroying America and Americans. It's time to break the federal government of it's over-reach. The States are perfectly capable of handling things on their own. Perfection isn't an option.
/johnny
PS. Thanks for your service!! As a military man I am sure you have seen more than your fair share of “great” ideas that ended up not working out as they were intended.
Not looking for perfection. Just looking for practical and workable.
Duh...I originally posted it to myself
PS. Thanks for your service!! As a military man I am sure you have seen more than your fair share of “great” ideas that ended up not working out as they were intended.
The practical and workable solution is the one that actually gets tried. Paralysis of analysis is unacceptable.
/johnny
If it's crazy and it works, it's not crazy.
/johnny
“A bad idea is better than no idea.”
Absolutely untrue.
/johnny
“Paralysis of analysis is unacceptable.”
I am not saying we need to think this to death but not giving it any serious thought is just plain careless.
And Congress functions as the trustees or board. They give guidelines to the prez and his agency on how they want the land managed.
These guidelines would include, but not be limited to, National Environmental Policy Act, Endangered Species Act, Wild Horse and Burro Act, Clean Water Act, Federal Lands and Policy Management Act. These lands have to be managed for multiple use.
Everybody gets to use the lands: grazers, wild horses, wildlife, hunters, campers, coal miners, gold miners, hikers, ATVers, horse back riders, oil producers, etc. Consequently there will always be conflicts.
“Absolutely true if what you are currently doing is destroying you. And what we are currently doing is destroying us.”
A bad idea is never better than no idea. It is basic logic that a bad idea will always make things worse (if it didn’t, it wouldn’t be a bad idea). Therefore even if you are being destroyed, a bad idea will only destroy you faster thus decreasing your opportunity for thinking up a good idea.
Everything else is excuses.
The Revolutionary War completely wiped out British investment in the American Colonies. Quite a disruptive event. Tough noogies.
As I said, I am NOT interested in maintaining the status quo, or even concerned overly about the disruption that reverting to a constitutional government causes. People died the last time the status quo was overturned. That is to be expected.
/johnny
/johnny
When they do, the wild horse lovers, of which there are many, many, many in the US, complain that BLM is being cruel. Then after the round-up, the grazers complain because BLM didn't catch all the horses.
After the round-up, they have to store them. They can't kill them or sell them to processors. They have many huge pens where they store these horses that they have to feed and provide vet services until natural death. They probably have more horses in these pens than there are on the range. They probably spend more money on these stored horses than they do managing the horses on the range.
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