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Could scientists soon detect alien 'plant' life on exoplanets? (Detecting Chlorophyll)
Fox News ^ | 5-6-2014 | Discovery

Posted on 05/06/2014 8:28:57 AM PDT by equalator

In a new paper submitted to the arXiv preprint service, astrophysicists Timothy Brandt and David Spiegel of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University, New Jersey, focused on the hunt for the chemical signature of oxygen, water and chlorophyll in the atmospheres of Earth-like exoplanetary atmospheres. Oxygen and water are essential for life as we know it, and chlorophyll is a biomolecule vital for photosynthesis on Earth. Photosynthesis is the extraction of energy from sunlight, a process employed by plants and some microbes, such as cyanobacteria.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aliens; exoplanets; science

1 posted on 05/06/2014 8:28:57 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

Chlorophyll would be a strong indicator.


2 posted on 05/06/2014 8:34:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now all we need is warp drive and we can tell the libs to go pound sand


3 posted on 05/06/2014 8:37:38 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: cripplecreek

I can’t imagine how they’d get reliable spectroscopic information on something that small, faint, and distant. Imagine something the size of the Earth orbiting Proxima Centauri (the closest star to our sun). I doubt that they’d be able to distinguish it from (say) something like Venus.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 8:37:50 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: equalator

I’d be more impressed if they could find life in a human womb.


5 posted on 05/06/2014 8:37:53 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: cripplecreek

There certainly isn’t any intelligent life on this planet.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 8:40:11 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: equalator

The problem is how will you keep someone alive long enough to get there. Its not like there’s a Walmart out there to stop and get gas and snacks and oxygen...rebreathing apparatuses won’t do the job for that long of a trip. What if they start out when the planet is primitive but by the time the get there they’ve advanced enough to strip citizens of their rights and become O’bummerland 2. Its not like they can whip that wagon around and head back home. I say we just take care of our own planet, depopulate voluntarily to keep from killing and wasting our own planet and we’ll be fine...: )


7 posted on 05/06/2014 8:40:33 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GraceG
"Now all we need is warp drive and we can tell the libs to go pound sand"

Or we could just use hammers and pointed sticks.

8 posted on 05/06/2014 8:42:22 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

Or expose them to daylight...


9 posted on 05/06/2014 8:45:36 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
I can’t imagine how they’d get reliable spectroscopic information on something that small, faint, and distant.

It would be speculation at best. Since chlorophyll absorbs light (except for green 500-600nm) saying that astronomers have 'found' chlorophyll means that they simply have found nothing in that spectrum. It would have to be comparitive spectrometry between reflected red and blue wavelengths (<500nm annd >500nm) but that could be practically anything without direct observation.

10 posted on 05/06/2014 8:45:43 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

For a while, it was claimed that having a lot of free oxygen in the atmosphere (which would be a lot easier to detect using wavelength spectra) was evidence for photosynthesis and light. The thing is, you can produce plenty of free oxygen from ionizing radiation splitting water molecules.


11 posted on 05/06/2014 8:47:43 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

That is an interesting tactic, but would it not be rather circular giving the presumption that liquid water is the single best indicator of extra-terrestrial life?


12 posted on 05/06/2014 8:56:17 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: equalator

There could be other chemicals that duplicate the function of chlorophyll in other environments, which if we detected would not mean “life” to us.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 9:07:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: equalator

All plaints are not created equally some take more time than others to have life.


14 posted on 05/06/2014 9:08:33 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: JimRed
There could be other chemicals that duplicate the function of chlorophyll in other environments, which if we detected would not mean “life” to us

Even on Earth, there are bacteria which use molecules other than chlorophyll to build sugar from outside energy sources. A good example are the ones that grow around deep sea vents and use sulfur instead of oxygen.

15 posted on 05/06/2014 9:12:51 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: equalator
Here is the 6-page ArXiv article, "Prospects for Detecting Oxygen, Water, and Chlorophyll in an Exo-Earth" by Timothy D. Brandt and David S. Spiegel.

The big caveat is mentioned in the Conclusion:

Finally, we show that the “red edge” of chlorophyll absorption at lambda [wavelength] of approximately 0.7 um will be extremely difficult to detect, unless the cloud cover is much lower and/or the vegetation fraction is much higher than on Earth. Assuming extraterrestrial chlorophyll to have the same optical properties as the terrestrial pigments, and assuming Earth-like cloud and vegetation coverings, detecting chlorophyll will require a SNR [Signal-to-Noise Ratio] approximately 6 times higher than for diatomic oxygen, equivalent to a SNR greater than or equal to 100 at R [dimensionless spectral resolution] approximately 20. The detectability only approaches that of O2 if the cloud covering is zero, or if it is light and a much larger surface fraction, 30%, is covered in vegetation.

16 posted on 05/06/2014 9:13:00 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: ek_hornbeck

Funding! That’s how they do it. And then they’ll need motivating results for more funding, so the results will be “encouraging”. By the time the fundees die, they’ll have made a good life on scamming Uncle Sugar. Let’s just be sure none of these failed AGW scientists didn’t move over to this project.


17 posted on 05/06/2014 10:01:23 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: cripplecreek
Chlorophyll would be a strong indicator.

If these researchers really want to score some major funding they need to calibrate for cannabis, then liberals would be screaming for them to be given money.

18 posted on 05/06/2014 10:35:31 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: jsanders2001

you are assuming we know all there is to know about space travel.

I think Bob Lazaar’s description of the alien spacecraft as traveling with a gravity drive that essentially shrinks the distance between space between two places and you hop there in an instance is real (Seriously!)


19 posted on 05/06/2014 1:50:38 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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