Posted on 05/02/2014 8:28:00 PM PDT by Mariner
Slavyansk, Ukraine (CNN) -- Deadly street fighting, helicopters shot down and civilians being used as human shields.
That was the picture that emerged Friday in southern Ukraine as violence escalated amid reports that dozens of people were killed in a fire and still more were shot dead or wounded in street fighting, raising the question of whether the country can stave off a possible civil war.
The violence -- pitting pro-Russian separatists against Ukrainian forces and those who support the government in Kiev -- prompted an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council, with Russia demanding an end to what it called Ukrainian aggression and Western powers accusing Moscow of funding the violence.
Russia and the West have squared off diplomatically over the fate of Ukraine, after Moscow annexed Crimea in March following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. He was pushed from office after months of protests by people upset that he had turned away from Europe in favor of Russia.
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I know that’s what some folks believe. I remain skeptical.
Just who are the people rising up, in the thousands, in Eastern Ukraine?
A bunch of folks that want to join up with Berlin?
Dozens of pro-separatist people were burned to death today in a building hit with molotovs from right-sektor.
The police just watched. They were ready with shields ready to confront... the people being burned alive in the building.
This article just says people died in a fire.
I think this will have a big impact on the psychology of the region, and convince people of the need for self defense groups and separatism.
If dozens of pro-euro protesters were burned to death in the context of an attack by their political opponents and police, the reporting would be far different...
If Russia makes a move on Ukraine and tries to take it over, they better be prepared for lots of guerilla warfare by the Ukrainians, picking off the Russians one by one or more. The Ukrainians are very good at this as they have been occupied first by the Commies and then by the Fascists, and then by the Commies again. Putin will have his hands full which is why I think he’s been holding back and trying to achieve the same ends by having internal Ukrainian Russians fight his fight for him, with Putin’s aid on the QT of course.
Will be interesting to see what happens, but the Ukraine isn’t going to put up with Putin taking over its last deep water ports, leaving them landlocked. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Yep, but they were pro-Russian. No sympathy from the fascists in Kiev.
Odessa has been Russian for well over 200 years and was not even a city until Catherine the Great named it.
AT LEAST 95% of all development that ever occurred there was done with Russian money and Russian workers.
Going up against the Russian military/intelligence apparatus with Ukraine’s current resources is like David with a broken arm going up against Goliath.
It seems for most new conscripts particularly for the the National Guard, they should train them in guerrilla tactics, create an infrastructure for an underground resistance, and be ready for a partisan insurgency.
I know the East thinks of Bandera as a Nazi, but he was a nationalist ( not socialist ) fighting a partisan war against Stalin’s Soviet Russia. He aligned with Hitler, but if your choice is Hitler or Stalin, who would you pick ( particularly with Stalin wanting to deport ALL Ukrainians and killing mainly through a manufactured starvation about 25% of the population )?
Fantastic nonsense.
The Russian militias will kill all those folks in the night.
Doll, this is Eastern Europe we're talking about. When this kind of thing erupts, one side wins and the other loses.
blueprint for what will happen in the US southwest and california.
And killing as many Jews as they could get their hands on. Not because they were aligned with the Soviets, but because they were Jews.
So I say it's a good thing that Russia is willing to expend the resources necessary to bring law, order and prosperity to a failed state.
There’s a really great research paper out from National Defence Academy of Latvia Center for Security and Strategic Research titled ‘RUSSIA’S NEW GENERATION WARFARE IN UKRAINE:
IMPLICATIONS FOR LATVIAN DEFENSE POLICY’( wow, that’s a mouthful...good thing for copy and paste :)
It lays out Russia’s goals for military capability by 2020, and it’s stunning at how Ukraine is a play by play out of Russia’s changing strategy.
Basically, until conditions are right to go in conventionally, they will wage a cultural war, ‘from direct annihilation of the opponent to its inner decay’, ‘from war in the physical environment to a war in the human consciousness and in cyberspace’(can anyone say trolls), using ‘specially prepared forces and commercial irregular groupings’, ‘from the traditional (3D) battleground to information/psychological warfare and war of
perceptions.’
And they see their enemy as permanent; a permanent war.
It’s really fascinating and very ominous.
What evidence do you have of that. What street videos I saw were unorganized and showed a lot of individual commitment and casualties. And I have NO DOUBT that Vlad is stoking the fire with spec ops.
Brilliant.
AND Ominous.
But truth be told they learned it all from us, from the Cold War through to the Serbian-Kosovo war and OUR initial probes into Ukraine.
I'm thinking the Russians are playing defense here.
Maidan.
USA Calls it Nation Building and Democratization.
2 words concerning people in this area and Russian “treatment”.
Katyn and Holodomor
Enough reason for a fierce hatred of Ivan & Vlad?
Yes, I watched that and I did not see outside organization.
And the “elected” President was hand picked by Vlad and they stole almost the entire treasury on exit.
No, the EU wanted them, but NATO nor the EU was involved in the overthrow of the “elected” President of the Ukraine.
Popular dislike of what he was doing did.
I saw the videos and those videos were NOT the one on MSM.
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