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To: WhiskeyX

Not a nice tactic. And if it’s only about who pays for the water, there’s something about the gas bill the Ukraine owes which is waaaaaaaaaaaay more than the water bill.


3 posted on 04/29/2014 3:33:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
“Not a nice tactic. And if it’s only about who pays for the water, there’s something about the gas bill the Ukraine owes which is waaaaaaaaaaaay more than the water bill.”

Russia is using “Not a nice tactic” by refusing to discuss contracts or payment for deliveries of water, so it appears the Ukraine has no better recourse than to deliver water when contracts and payment are forthcoming.

What “gas bill” are you talking about? You perhaps mean the contract which Russia abrogated with an illegal invasion and thereby voided. You know, the contract wherein Russia (1) guaranteed the territorial integrity of the Ukraine and its territory in the Crimea and (2) guaranteed a discounted price for the natural gas deliveries in exchange for (3) a naval base and other bases on Ukrainian territory in the Crimea in limited numbers and for a limited period of time. If that is the “bill” you are talking about, you should already be aware that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine created a state of belligerency or war against the Ukraine, and that belligerency gave the Ukraine the right under international law to suspend and/or void all contracts between the two states pending the end of the belligerency and reestablishment of normal diplomatic relations. All belligerent assets seized are to be administered on behalf of the belligerent power by a trustee, and any war reparations may then be satisfied from the funds resulting from the sale and liquidation of those assets at the end of the war. The Ukraine's war reparations obtainable from Russia include compensation for damages and penalties for the illegal Russian occupation and annexation (alienation) of the Crimea. So, if you want to talk about who owes how much to whom, you have a lot of work left to do to add up all of the war reparations Russia is liable to owe to the Ukraine for the criminal acts against the Ukraine.

4 posted on 04/29/2014 4:00:30 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Sacajaweau
Not a nice tactic.

Neither is sticking Ukraine for gas, which the Russians already did. Neither is flaking on the Russians for payments, which the Ukrainians already did.

12 posted on 04/29/2014 7:50:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Brilliant move. Isn't Crimea still a peninsula? Still surrounded by water? So now the Russians will build what's necessary to provide the water without depending on Ukraine. Besides which, doesn't it give justification for Russia annexing a strip of land to connect Crimea to Russia until the emergency is resolved?

I'm reading all of the stuff people are posting here and they're leaving out one detail. Russia has not cut off gas to Ukraine even though the bill is unpaid. So where's the justification?

Is it just me, or is this Kiev coup gov incapable of good decisions?

14 posted on 04/29/2014 7:58:17 AM PDT by grania
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To: Sacajaweau

“Not a nice tactic. “

This is often a declaration and cause of war in the past.


15 posted on 04/29/2014 8:06:30 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Sacajaweau

Not withstanding this actually happened awhile back, if your house was on fire or you were really, really thirsty would you rather have water or gas?


33 posted on 04/29/2014 11:20:09 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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