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1 posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by xzins
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Ammon Bundy said his father’s message “was taken out of context.” The point was that the government “has kept them oppressed,” he said. “They’ve never been given a situation to be able to thrive, get themselves out of slavery.” - See more at:


2 posted on 04/26/2014 10:39:32 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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All these black people have no idea what they’re talking about. A crew of idiots said it was racist so it is.

Who do these black people think they are?


4 posted on 04/26/2014 10:45:15 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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Are those who withhold comment automatically ‘Racist’ certified?

The hysteria the media wishes to foment all too oft is much mildew over a small spill IMHO.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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Mr. Keyes will be ignored because he’s left the plantation.


10 posted on 04/26/2014 10:49:41 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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As much as I like Alan, he is hardly a ‘Black leader’


18 posted on 04/26/2014 11:00:15 AM PDT by Nifster
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WTG!


20 posted on 04/26/2014 11:01:18 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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This is just the left switching the focus of an oppressive government agency terrorizing a Nevada rancher for the monetary benefit of Harry Reid, to - he’s a racist. So it’s OK?


23 posted on 04/26/2014 11:12:14 AM PDT by mom.mom
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Racist or not the guy's basic position about Dirty Harry's personal little land grab is valid.
26 posted on 04/26/2014 11:19:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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The damage here is that the left had to destroy Bundy on a personal level. They also wanted to move the dialog from federal agencies making policy and regulations that have the force of law, and by having that power can take whatever property they want, charge you fees/taxes whenever they want, and change the rules anytime they want.

They wanted to move the attention away from the BLM’s aggressive use of military level force against an American citizen, who, even if you grant the court’s rulings against Bundy, did not deserve such treatment used toward him and his family.

So, how did they do that? They got Bundy to talk about an irrelevant topic such as race. They could have gotten him to talk about homosexuality, but that’s not strong enough - no, “racism” is far more damaging a charge.

As to what Bundy actually said, that Blacks were better off as slaves rather than as dependents of the state, could have been stated in a more positive way. Human slavery is terrible and implying that things were better for blacks as literal slaves is probably not the best way to make one’s case.

But, I do think he was taken out of context in that he was trying to point out that there is more than one kind of slavery, and in regard to liberty and freedom, being a dependent of the state is also a form of enslavement as well - it destroys personal development to full maturity as a human being, and, makes one helpless to take care oneself or one’s family. So, in regard to human liberty and freedom, isn’t dependency on the state just another form of slavery? Is there any quicker way to destroy the moral fiber of another person or a race of people than to provide everything for them without them having to do anything in return?


41 posted on 04/26/2014 11:52:23 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To advocate big government is to advocate slavery.

Bundy is against slavery, the BLM are in favor of it.


45 posted on 04/26/2014 12:03:01 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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From the text.

Then when somebody comes along to comment on that damage, the leftists all scream "racism," he said.

Somehow all the reaction to Rancher Bundy has rang a distant bell in my head. (laughs). I remembered vaguely that a Russian called Ivan Pavlov did some experiments with dogs. He could condition them to respond to a stimulus. All this might be far out but..... I went to Wikipedia and found this item. Conditioned Emotional Response.

I asked myself this, that over the years the leftists have so destroyed or reduced people. People who have innocently said something about Black people and were then jumped on. This had them blubbering out denials and apologies and saying "some of my best friends are....." So devastating is the smear of "racist" the left realises it's chilling power.

I would say that immediately the word is used, this brings about the "Conditioned Emotional Response" comes in. Even bold conservatives run for cover.

I am not pretending to be a scholar but I do read a great deal. Again to put it simply the leftists have won. (For the time being anyway).

46 posted on 04/26/2014 12:05:13 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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The man who should have been the nations first black POTUS. Many mocked him but he has had a grasp on what is wrong in this nation for several decades now. I used to watch his show “America’s Wake Up Call” every day. His depths of knowledge & wisdom far exceeds the depths of corruption of Obama in comparison of their character.


51 posted on 04/26/2014 12:17:21 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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Keyes said that was evident.

“I find it appalling that we basically have a history of the leftist liberalism that wants to extinguish black people by abortion [and] destroying the family structure,” Keyes told WND. “All of these things if you just look at the effects, you would say this was planned by some racist madman to destroy the black community.”

Then when somebody comes along to comment on that damage, the leftists all scream “racism,” he said.

“I think it’s time somebody started to recognize the racism that exists in its effects – the hard leftist ideology using the black community for their sacrificial lamb, for their sick ideology. It’s time we called them what they are,” he said.

Keyes looks at outcome not 'feelings'... He's right on this... ping-a-ling...

62 posted on 04/26/2014 12:45:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are waging war on the middle class...)
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Keyes is exactly right and states it well with his usual precision.

We on the right need to get better at simply standing by the truth and not being cowed by the PC game. We should be fully willing to denounce actual racists but also willing to hold the line when one of our own speaks the truth in a way that doesn’t conform to PC rules. I actually think that Bundy has created an opening to insert some reality into the public conversation on race if we will simply man up and be willing to speak the truth. That’s a hard thing to do but it has to be done if we’re ever going to get ourselves out of the race rut. The left has ruined the golden opportunity that this country has had when it comes to race issues. They need to be held accountable for that. Doing so starts by having a backbone and being willing to simply stand up for what is true even when it’s uncomfortable.


82 posted on 04/26/2014 1:33:48 PM PDT by Yardstick
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Prominent Black Leader Alan Keyes??????


103 posted on 04/26/2014 2:19:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Amen!


105 posted on 04/26/2014 2:20:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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I look at Bundy’s remarks as oriented around work.

He reminds me of a man like my father was. It was about independence. Independence brought with it the responsibility of work.

Taking someone’s independence away automatically takes life force and self-worth. That was his argument against FDR and especially The Great Society. Shoveling money someone’s way encourages the person toward sloth and siphons off the person’s will toward independence.

My father worked his shoe leather almost until he died. That same week, he was shoveling stone on a driveway. I don’t think he would have wanted to go any other way.

He raised us kids up to work like banshees. Because of my parents, I can see Bundy as a free man, independent, who is fighting for that independence all the way home. For that, I stand with him.

That said, to all the folks who support the ‘law’ of the BLM, let me ask you whether, two years hence, when we see Reid or whoever Chinese or environmental crony ends up with Bundy land to destroy at will, won’t you just feel all righteous that the ‘law’ was upheld—whether that ‘law’s’ goalposts were moved by bureaucratic edict or not (or by a federal judge at the bidding of federal pol commands)? I ask because the federal government is extraordinarily liberal in finding in its own favor. Money and power are its food groups, after all, and Bundy’s in the way.

/rant off


119 posted on 04/26/2014 2:42:31 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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Unfortunately, Mr. Keyes is not a “Black leader” in the sense of having cachet in the Black community. As a conservative he is considered an “uncle tom.”


165 posted on 04/26/2014 6:37:37 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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bump for later


185 posted on 04/26/2014 8:13:43 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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‘“I find it appalling that we basically have a history of the leftist liberalism that wants to extinguish black people by abortion [and] destroying the family structure,” Keyes told WND. “All of these things if you just look at the effects, you would say this was planned by some racist madman to destroy the black community.”’

BINGO!


188 posted on 04/26/2014 8:27:05 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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