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Americans Question the Big Bang
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 4-25-14 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 04/25/2014 8:30:14 AM PDT by fishtank

Americans Question the Big Bang

by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

A new poll revealed that 51 percent of Americans question the Big Bang theory, and 54 percent of Americans believe that the universe is so complex that there must have been a designer.1 Mainstream scientists are not happy about it.

The Associated Press-GfK poll queried Americans' confidence in a number of other issues—the genetic code's link to inherited traits, smoking's link to lung cancer—and the respondents expressed more confidence in these issues than they did in the Big Bang. According to AP, "Those results depress and upset some of America's top scientists, including several Nobel Prize winners, who vouched for the science in the statements tested, calling them settled scientific facts."2

But the Big Bang theory asks us to believe the incredible—that randomized forms of matter and energy coming from an unknown source self-organized into stars, galaxies, planets, life and ultimately people.

...more at link

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbang; creation; notthecreepytvshow; theory; waronsciencememe
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To: Heartlander
Ask our founders and quit acting like it is a crazy idea...

So I asked for an objective morality, and you gave me three examples. That's nonsensical.

So I'll ask again, where do you get this objective morality, and who/what decides what it is?

141 posted on 05/01/2014 8:33:03 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

You cannot appeal to naturalism on one hand - and just say that rights are natural if animals and bacteria don’t have the same rights.


142 posted on 05/01/2014 8:33:45 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: GunRunner

A prime mover - a deity - God - but it cannot come from mindless naturalism.


143 posted on 05/01/2014 8:38:15 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
and just say that rights are natural if animals and bacteria don’t have the same rights.

I don't believe that animals have rights, nor does morality exist between non-humans. There are moral justifications for how we treat animals however, and I believe that minimizing suffering should be something that a moral people take into account.

144 posted on 05/01/2014 8:41:03 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Heartlander

Which God? And where/how is the universal, objective morality relayed to homo sapiens? How do we decipher it?


145 posted on 05/01/2014 8:42:36 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
I don't believe that animals have rights, nor does morality exist between non-humans.

If we are animals - why is morality different? Evolution is reproduction by whatever means possible - there is no morality to reproduction.

146 posted on 05/01/2014 8:49:36 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: GunRunner

Hmmm... You ask which god - as opposed to mindless creation without morality, logic, and reason... I am not asking you to believe a specific religion - but believing your mind ultimately came from mindlessness is a sad doctrine...


147 posted on 05/01/2014 8:57:00 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
If we are animals - why is morality different?

Because we can recognize the moral repercussions of our actions, and can make moral judgements. Human beings are capable of thinking about our behaviors and evaluating them, then look and see if there are good reasons for behaving in a certain way and good reasons for not behaving in another way.

There's no evidence that animals can. If a bear kills another animal, it is not capable of understanding that that action may or may not be wrong.

There's a meaningful difference between men and animals, and it boils down to the fact that there are quantifiable, rational reasons for you not to murder someone; reasons that you are capable of contemplating and being aware of. The same is not true for an animal.

148 posted on 05/01/2014 9:01:22 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Heartlander
Ahhh, but you claimed that without an objective morality, you could give me no reason not to murder someone.

Yet, when pressed on the source of objective morality, you appealed to the non-objective concept of "God", which can mean all sorts of things. It's noncognitive; you haven't even answered your own question.

149 posted on 05/01/2014 9:04:26 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

Again, you miss the point - are we merely animals that think differently and what makes our thinking any better than other animal behavior?


150 posted on 05/01/2014 9:07:26 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
and what makes our thinking any better than other animal behavior?

I already explained that. I'll post again.

Humans can recognize the moral repercussions of our actions, and can make moral judgements. Human beings are capable of thinking about our behaviors and evaluating them, then looking to see if there are good reasons for behaving in a certain way and good reasons for not behaving in another way. We can recognize and judge whether our actions will cause harm and suffering to ourselves and others, and contemplate future repurcussions.

There's no evidence that animals have the same capacity.

There's a meaningful difference between men and animals, and it boils down to the fact that there are quantifiable, rational reasons for you not to murder someone; reasons that you are capable of contemplating and being aware of. The same is not true for an animal.

151 posted on 05/01/2014 9:11:27 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

You continue to miss the point - It cannot come from naturalism - you can believe in any thing from Deism to Agnostic - but morality should be objective and not a animal behavior.


152 posted on 05/01/2014 9:14:12 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
but believing your mind ultimately came from mindlessness is a sad doctrine...

Another question would be, what makes coming from intelligence so special? Why does it matter to you in the overall scheme of things?

Why does there need to be cosmic significance to your children, poetry, a sunrise, mountains, waterfalls, women, cigars, whatever you enjoy and value in life.

What is the value that is added by coming from some sort of intelligence?

153 posted on 05/01/2014 9:16:36 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Heartlander
you can believe in any thing from Deism to Agnostic

I find this the most remarkable admission ever to come from your realm of thinking.

How can objective morality come from multiple sources, or "belief in anything"?

It's a simple question. You claim that objective morality exists and that it comes from supernatural sources. What exactly is the source and how does one access it?

154 posted on 05/01/2014 9:21:24 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

You are correct - I have no more time to waste on this discussion - enjoy your life...


155 posted on 05/01/2014 9:21:37 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
- enjoy your life...

I will, thank you! And I need no supernatural decree to do so.

156 posted on 05/01/2014 9:28:14 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

I have said this multiple times - morality cannot come from naturalism - I find it is dullards that try to explain this away - trying to politely state this fact over and over is boring.


157 posted on 05/01/2014 9:29:48 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: GunRunner

Do you believe your mind ultimately came from mindlessness?


158 posted on 05/01/2014 9:31:39 PM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
Define "mindlessness"?

If you're referring to consciousness, I do not have enough information to comment on where consciousness comes from, and I don't believe anyone else does either.

159 posted on 05/01/2014 9:35:02 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Heartlander
The problem is that the supernatural alternative you're offering is toothless and meaningless. It seems that simply saying something like "morality comes from God" satisfies you, but you don't seem to be the least bit interested in defining the objective morality, what it says, what it means, and who or what established it.

I find this odd since this objective morality is so important to your worldview you were incapable of giving me a reason NOT TO MURDER SOMEONE without appealing to the supernatural.

Heck, I didn't even say it had to be a GOOD reason. I've never seen anyone give up that easily.

160 posted on 05/01/2014 9:40:00 PM PDT by GunRunner
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