Cliven Bundy Makes Ridiculously Racist Comments, Says Blacks 'Better Off' As Slaves

Business Insider ^ | 04/24/2014 | BRETT LOGIURATO

[SeekAndFind]

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher around whom some Republicans and conservative activists have rallied in a high-profile fight against the federal government, made disparaging comments about African-Americans in an interview with The New York Times published Thursday. 

Bundy wondered if African-Americans might have been "better off" as slaves, referring to them as "the Negro."

From The Times' Adam Nagourney:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Moron

[dragnet2]

lol...

[Clintonfatigued]

In the immortal words of Eric Cartman, “Oh, f**k!”

[Clintonfatigued]

I knew that George Zimmerman was no hero, but I was suckered by this cretin. Count me among the many embarrassed.

[Impy]

I see some fools see the need to jump to his defense. “It’s a lie!” Please. He told this to a NYslimes reporter himself, the man is clearly a moron.

Just because you are a victim of the government like this guy or Zimmerman doesn’t mean you are a nice person.

He’s not a Republican candidate so who cares, I’m not much for folk heroes. The actions of the jackboot government remain what’s important here, not this jerk’s character. Just because he’s an idiot who lives in time warp doesn’t mean the federal government is suddenly right in their position.

[stickywillie]

“Oh merciful Lord.... Are you saying that slavery wasn’t so bad?” they weren’t havin’ caps popped in their *sses, like the weekends in chicago. many don’t even live to tell about it.

[GOPsterinMA]

Cartman? I didn’t know you were a fan.

[Monorprise]

Is real slavery better than welfare Plantation slavery? Probably not as most people prefer to be hopelessly idle than forced to work.

If your going to become a public conservative figure unfortunately your every word no matter the context is going to be used against you. There really ain’t anything anyone can do about that besides live a perfect life to minimize the words and thoughts used against you.

One thing is for sure, Bundy isn’t helping himself by pointing out uncomfortable truths. We need a majority to at least sympathies with the western lands situation, not become convinced as the NAZI left is currently trying to that theses are people to be demonized and condemned.

Bundy needs a PR agent.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I see some fools see the need to jump to his defense. “It’s a lie!” Please. He told this to a NYslimes reporter himself, the man is clearly a moron.
Just because you are a victim of the government like this guy or Zimmerman doesn’t mean you are a nice person.”

On FNC they are playing that video of him on blacks and welfare and working in the fields, and ripping him for it. He also asked if they were better off in slavery.

Rand Paul who came out strongly for him felt forced to be the first one in GOP to condemn what he said.

I wisely refrained from ANY comments on him up till now, I been burned many times joining the crowd in the past and think I learned my lesson.

I told myself I would watch and assess and it was a great decision.

[Monorprise]

I agree, We can all condemn the poorly formed thoughts but they really have nothing to do with the real issue at hand, which is and always has been western land rights, and the absurd militaristic behavior of the BLM.

[Monorprise]

“Dependent on the government is slavery.

Reservation Indians were better off before the reservation when “all their needs” were taken care of by the government.”

You have no idea how true that is. Federal management of Indian lands have had the effect of inhibiting their economic opportunities and ultimately decimating their population by making individual investment and achievement on that territory unsustainable due to the instability of property rights.

If the land were simply divyed up among the Indians, then Indians could more easily build real long term industry upon it. As it is right now a lot of them could end up building a great business or industry on that land only to end up having it taken away.

[dragnet2]

Is real slavery better than welfare Plantation slavery? Probably not as most people prefer to be hopelessly idle than forced to work.

If ya ever get into public life, don't ever make that comment if you're referring to blacks.

Regardless if it's accurate, the leftist in the race industry will try to hang you with it.

[GeronL]

I am not going to jump to the far-fetched conclusion that the NY Times reported something accurately.

[Impy]

Someone told me it was taken out of context.

My reply is that it’s pretty damn easy to take something out of context when you mention slavery, favorably comparing something else to it even hypothetically, and use terms like “the Negro”.

I won’t call this man a racist but he is a moron.

PR people exist! Use them before you give an interview to a liberal reporter, for Christ sakes!

He’s given the left a distraction and undermined his own cause. But hey at least he’s not a Senate nominee!!!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Someone told me it was taken out of context.
My reply is that it’s pretty damn easy to take something out of context when you mention slavery, favorably comparing something else to it even hypothetically, and use terms like “the Negro”.

I saw the first vid played on Morning Joe this morning about plantations and welfare and a slightly longer version of it on FNC today.

It immediately struck me as toxic.

For two weeks MSNBC has been saying those supporting Bundy are white supremacists, now Bundy hands them this gift to use to show people as evidence.

As expected those on FNC and Republicans ran like hell from this.

Its toxic and a gift to libs. Its blowing up your (our) own side and only helps the collectivists. Its like when Akins did the abortionists bidding.

[sickoflibs]

This is just ad hoc but try:

Liberalism and Democrats have destroyed millions of black families.
It took the value and rewards of hard work and achievement away from them and trapped them in lives of poverty, crime and government dependency.
It took away their opportunities and replaced them with welfare government handouts.
Slavery to government is confused with compassion by those trapped by liberalism.
Conservatives offer you freedom. We offer you the rewards of personal achievement, not waiting for some fraud in Washington to save you. Join us if you feel trapped

See? That took me a few minutes to come up with. It doesn't have to be this way.

[Liz]

Liberalism and Democrats have destroyed millions of black families, obliterating the value and rewards of hard work and achievement, trapping them in poverty, crime and government dependency. Opportunities were replaced with welfare (a ruse to buy votes). Sap-happy prog/lib know-nothings ameliorated the agonies of slavery w/ another form of slavery-- government handouts. Conservatives offer unlimited freedom....the rewards of personal achievement.... not dependence on vote-crazed Washington to save them.

Okay, "coach".......got it.

Even cranky Ben Jealous of the NAACP would go along with those arguments.

[NFHale]

“...Its toxic and a gift to libs....”

Well, like Impy said, PR people exist for a reason, and, yes, maybe he should have been “wise as the serpent” in this regard - dealing with the media. Maybe he’s just naive in his own way and still thinks he’s dealing with Americans, rather than liberals.

But - agree with the man or disagree with him, I think it comes down to this:

If we let the other side define what we can and can’t say,

If we let the other side define what words we can and can’t use,

If we let the other side determine what thoughts we can and can’t think - then they’ve already won and there’s no sense even fighting anymore.

If we have to couch every damned word and sentence so as not to offend the perpetually offended - it’s like trying to box with one hand permanently tied behind you, and your feet in cement shoes.

Who the hell cares if they get offended - they’re offended by EVERYTHING we do, say, think, believe. F*** ‘em.

By letting them select what we CAN and CANNOT say, it gives them power over us. I reiterate - F*** ‘em.

It was the man’s opinion of a societal demographic, based on HIS personal observations, over the course of his life. He’s entitled to it, and has a right to express it.

And no matter what he said, it doesn’t excuse nor change the fact that FedThugzilla forcibly took his property at gunpoint and terrorized his family - which is what started this whole mess to begin with.

I won’t throw the guy under the bus (and I’m NOT implying that any of you are, either, so please don’t take it that way).

He inadvertently gave the other side an open door to change the discussion from their outright state-approved terrorism to his made-up crime-of-all-horrible-crimes - “racism”.

[GOPJ]

Long time ago men would quote some silly woman and say things like ‘That’s why women shouldn’t have the right to vote’... As if every woman was judged by the one.

In fact no one should have a bill collected by an army... and the BLM works their corruption magic for the benefit of democrat politicians. Something there is wrong no matter what or how people feel about welfare.

I believe Mr. Bundy was ‘projecting’ his feeling about the world onto inner city blacks. Bundy would find it a form of torture to sit around doing nothing all day and living off welfare. So he assumes other people - inner city blacks in this case - would feel the same way.

Maybe Bundy’s wrong.

Maybe blacks on welfare or disability love living off the work of others. It might be time for the New York Times or Gallop or some survey group to find out.

In the old days democrats in the South used to use that line as a slur against blacks... that they wanted to live that way. Time to put the question to the people who live that life style. Maybe they love it ... maybe ‘retiring’ from the work force in your early 20’s is good.

[don-o]

No evidence he said anything.

There's a tape. He said it. When a man puts a "kick me" sign on his own ass, he's more to be pitied than scorned. Instead of referring to 1860, here's what he might have said. The problem we have today have roots in the Rise of the Welfare State.

The calamitous breakdown of the black family is a comparatively recent phenomenon, coinciding precisely with the rise of the welfare state. Throughout the epoch of slavery and into the early decades of the twentieth century, most black children grew up in two-parent households.
 Post-Civil War studies revealed that most black couples in their forties had been together for at least twenty years. In southern urban areas around 1880, nearly three-fourths of black households were husband-or father-present; in southern rural settings, the figure approached 86%. As of 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks nationwide was approximately 15%—scarcely one-fifth of the current figure.
 As late as 1950, black women were more likely to be married than white women, and only 9% of black families with children were headed by a single parent.