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1 posted on 04/24/2014 7:03:12 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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I agree Bundy has a right to say this, and I agree this is just a trick of the left to shift the focus. But as others here have noted (regarding GOP leadership), situational awareness is in order. I would extend that requirement to Bundy. We are in a multi-layered war. You don’t go out in front of enemy artillery with a target painted on your behind.

Having said all that, I do get what Bundy is saying, and it is not too different from beliefs my own father expressed. My dad was a teacher in Chicago inner city schools, and then a principal. It was his life’s mission to help the black community recover, as he understood it, from a totally botched Reconstruction effort to transform the slave subculture, as a whole, into a productive partner in freedom. His method was to reward strong individual effort and independence, and to NOT reward behavior that reflected an undue dependence on others.

And it was working. Students from his program were getting out of the hood and becoming doctors and lawyers. However, the program was shut down, directly and in person, by Jesse Jackson, with the blessing of the elder Mayer Daley. Why? Because 1) my dad was not the “right color” to run that school (Jesse told him this to his face), and 2) because the parents of the non-achievers blamed their lack of achievement on my dad’s race, not on their own lack of personal development.

So Bundy’s point, that there is was a serious problem in the cultural transition from slave to free, is right on the money. But I still think it’s boneheaded to ever say of anyone, they’d be better off a slave. That’s just un-American. We believe in freedom, no matter how much work it takes to get and keep it.


73 posted on 04/24/2014 7:34:16 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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It is his opinion, I take it he sees that the Blacks just have a different master now- the government.

He is a person that works hard and cannot imagine not working, he would rather pick cotton than nothing and thinks they should too. I understand that, if I had nothing to do all day that would be the worst life imaginable to me, I know I would be better off picking cotton. Don’t forget ranchers do hard manual labor every day, so to him there is nothing wrong with picking cotton, manual labor to him is honorable. Not so much to his critics that look down on manual labor. He has a right to free speech, and yes he will be condemned but at some point if we want to fix things we will have to allow free speech and stop most of the PC crap which is used by liberals to silence people. He could have chosen his words more carefully, but no matter how he said it he would have been accused of racism. I have no idea if he is racist or not but I understand what he was saying here. I think not just the Blacks but all those on welfare with nothing to do would be better off working at anything, picking cotton, digging ditches, you name it. Of course I would suggest other jobs to them where they could possibly work their way up the ladder but there is nothing wrong with manual labor.


74 posted on 04/24/2014 7:34:30 AM PDT by Tammy8
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Dingy Harry Reid made good on his threat that “something would happen” to Bundy,


76 posted on 04/24/2014 7:36:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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And his remarks have what to do with grazing rights, federal tyranny and state sovreignity?
80 posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:24 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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We knew they’d try to smear him.

And “racist” is their favorite accusation.


81 posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Is Mr. Bundy saying the government is still practicing segregation?
82 posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:32 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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Bundy is not a politician, nor a TV celebrity. His comments on race relations don’t disqualify him from being a rancher.


85 posted on 04/24/2014 7:39:56 AM PDT by AU72
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If our forefathers had known how much the cost of picking cotton was going to cost this country in the future, there would have been no Africans imported to this country to do that job.


91 posted on 04/24/2014 7:42:44 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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Just maybe, he is thinking as Old Abe and Bob Marley did! # 1, The worst thing you can do for anyone you care about is anything that they can do on their own.” ― Abraham Lincoln # 2, “You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.” ― Abraham Lincoln # 3, “Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds.” ― Bob Marley
99 posted on 04/24/2014 7:44:54 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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State-controlled media in full-on character assassination mode. No one can be allowed to publicly stand up against FedGov hegemony.

Wonder what kind of character assassination they have planned down in Texas. Americans are so stupid as to believe that if you’ve made an “offensive” comment, that means you no longer have any rights.


102 posted on 04/24/2014 7:46:26 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ('Merica!)
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So, Mr. Bundy spoke to the New York Times??? Who is claiming to have overheard this? He said, she said.


119 posted on 04/24/2014 7:56:13 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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Bundy needs to shut up and move on with his ranching. Next item he’ll be facing is attempts
to collect fees for grazing. But he says he’ll continue on with his press conferences.

snip
He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one
reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in
effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the
prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

end snip

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?hpw&rref=us


132 posted on 04/24/2014 8:07:37 AM PDT by deport
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I'm still not seeing the big deal here. If someone calls me caucasian I don't bat an eye at it. Big whoop. The only ones that will really be offended are the ones running for cover because "ooooooh, a white guy used the word negro", only the "Just-us" Brothers can use that term; it's reserved.Wasn't altogether too long ago ol Jesse Jackson was caught on tape wanting to "cut that niggers balls off" in respect to obama. Or the L.A. Times referring to zero as the magic negro. It's selective "outrage".
144 posted on 04/24/2014 8:16:36 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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Now the GOP will let the media and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) dictate the terms of discussion.

Sissies.

Clive Bundy basically repeated what Daniel Patrick Moynihan said....but Moynihan was not condemned. He was a Democrat senator from New York.


148 posted on 04/24/2014 8:20:01 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Democrats = KKK


149 posted on 04/24/2014 8:21:06 AM PDT by Vaduz
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Totally backed a poor horse on this one, folks.


159 posted on 04/24/2014 8:41:05 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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The Dems, MSM and RINOS are still holding back on their secret weapon: the homophobe card. Soon, they’ll produce some guy who overheard Bundy in 1972 using the word “fag”.


168 posted on 04/24/2014 8:56:54 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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In other words, the GOP will defend your property rights, as long as you don't say anything controversial?

The Branch Davidians were clearly nutcases and worse, but that didn't give Federal goons the right to incinerate them. Randy Weaver sounded out there on a lot of issues, but that doesn't mean that his family members deserved to be shot. Bundy's views on slavery and race may not be politically acceptable either, but that doesn't give FedGov any more right to rob him of his land and livelihood.

189 posted on 04/24/2014 10:50:45 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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The headline should be “GOP Races To Show How Completely Useless They Truly Are” or “GOP Rushes To Pander After Jerking Knees”.


197 posted on 04/24/2014 12:22:32 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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Bundy is saying the same thing I’ve heard Professor Walter Williams say many times. Thomas Sowell also. And Allen West and Clarence Thomas and Armstrong Williams, etc.

I guess they’re all racist.


199 posted on 04/24/2014 12:26:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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