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BREAKING: Russia 'forced' to launch military drills at border in response to Ukraine op - Moscow
RT ^ | 4-24-2014 | RT

Posted on 04/24/2014 6:26:03 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Russia has begun extensive military exercises on its Ukrainian border following the escalation of violence in eastern Ukraine.

“The order to use force against civilians has already been given, and if this military machine is not stopped, the amount of casualties will only grow,” Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said during an official meeting in Moscow.

“We are forced to react to the situation.”

Shoigu said that the drills involve march and deployment exercises by forces in the southern and western military districts, and separate Air Force maneuvers.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; coup; drills; exercises; russia; ukraine
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To: Dr. Thorne

And the Kyiv Post isn’t the same for Ukraine?


41 posted on 04/24/2014 8:32:57 AM PDT by McGruff (Clinton had his Kosovo, Obama has his Ukraine.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
The people of the world have to stop submitting to the corrupt, pedophile, thieving, debt slavers that are “financial elites”.

And submit to the freedom-loving Putin? I hope Ukrainians will stand against ALL oppressors including Putin.

42 posted on 04/24/2014 8:34:11 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: McGruff
I don't think the Kyiv Post is designed for Western readers although we may read it. RT is designed to sell falsehood to people just like us - people who oppose Obama and his statist henchmen. It is clearly effective from the evidence I see on FR.

We need to remember that although we detest Obama, we love America and should not believe lies that feed into our anger.

43 posted on 04/24/2014 8:46:53 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Dr. Thorne

You don’t think American news media is propaganda ?

What do you know about the Washington Post ?


44 posted on 04/24/2014 8:48:56 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: McGruff; Dr. Thorne

All media everywhere need to be used carefully. If the Kyiv Post, for example, reports that a government official said something, it is just that: a report that someone said something. Insofar as that constitutes a piece of information, it’s valuable. A separate question is whether it’s a true statement.


45 posted on 04/24/2014 8:53:41 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

American trades with Russia to the tune of BILLIONS.

Would you say the Chinese regime is repressive, or a wonderful republic ?

Do I have to tell you how much we trade with them ?

These “enemies” of the US...

are only mentioned by the “conservative” media and pundits WHEN THEY WANT THE CONSERVATIVE SHEEPLE TO SUPPORT A NEW WAR.

Do they give a rats behind about conservatives other than that ?

No, they sell us down the river to every police state, statist, communist scheme the US government puts in place over the people of America.

So I WILL NEVER BE CONVINCED that the people calling for attacking Russia and HELPING THE POOR UKRAINIANS JOIN THE EU don’t have enslavement of the Ukrainians in mind. They don’t want to free them from Russia, they want to enslave them to the EU.

Ukraine ALREADY trades - billions worth - with BOTH EU and Russia.

So this is NOT about trade.

The EU is simply slowly, methodically GROWING.

Even a hick American like me can read this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_union

and see that IT JUST KEEPS GROWING, ABSORBING SMALL COUNTRIES.

DUHH..... I WONDER WHAT THEY’RE DOING.

I may be dumb but I ain’t stupid.

Let the Ukrainians keep trading with Russia and the EU.

If the EU can’t absorb them, tough.

If Ukraine is smart, they will stop their government from BORROWING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

Eventually, it gets to $18 trillion.

Then, you’re screwed.


46 posted on 04/24/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
You seem to be on Russia's side. Putin is a thug. Russia remains our enemy. As far as I'm concerned, you are trying to drum up support for Putin. Sorry, Pete. I won't bite on the "Fortress America" crap, not in this modern age. It's childish and self-defeating.

Opposing Putin's czarist lust is not equal to supporting American globalism. The bad guys deserve to get punched in the nose. Those who won't do it are cowards.

47 posted on 04/24/2014 9:23:36 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: tcrlaf

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-66-russia-warns-it-will-respond-to-anti-terror-op/#2433

The Guardian points to this live blog with photos and video. The Institute of Modern Russia is a think tank with HQ in US.


48 posted on 04/24/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

I’ve been following the Interpreter live blog since the overthrow.

“The Diplomat”, and Al-Jezeera also have updated live blogs going.


49 posted on 04/24/2014 9:38:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I’ve never seen anyone develop that argument: Russia Today is “ok” because of the Washington Post? How come no one ever argues that the Washington Post is “ok” because of Russia Today?


50 posted on 04/24/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

3 #Russian helicopters violated #Ukraine airspace in Luhansk today, says P. Poroshenko (MP and President Candidate) http://censor.net.ua/n282546

Oops. Bad map.


51 posted on 04/24/2014 10:22:44 AM PDT by McGruff (Clinton had his Kosovo, Obama has his Ukraine.)
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To: tcrlaf

Kyiv Post: Chief editor of Russia Today tweets “Ukraine. R.I.P.”
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/459391452930641920/photo/1


52 posted on 04/24/2014 11:10:54 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

“Chief editor of Russia Today tweets “Ukraine. R.I.P.””

What does she know, that isn’t public yet???


53 posted on 04/24/2014 11:16:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: No One Special

The Ukraine should just lay back and enjoy it?


54 posted on 04/24/2014 11:31:28 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Right, you didn’t. Because I never said RT is “ok” because of WaPo.

I was simply noting that unfortunately American news is propaganda just as much as RT is.

A pot vs. kettle thing.

So if we’re eliminating posting sources that frequently include deception and propaganda in them, we’d have a fairly empty FR. If I’m going to dismiss RT because they’ve printed deceptions, I’d have to dismiss just about every news outlet, because most of them attempt to deceive.

Even though there are printed deceptions, there may also be true facts and assertions mixed in news articles.

Personally (and I believe most people do this), instead of ignoring all but some precious few “favored” news sources, I read stories in WaPo if they come up in my searches. If I find interesting facts and assertions, I will from time to time post links to WaPo articles.

I don’t dismiss every single word they print as untrue, even though I know they have a history deception.

I go through the articles I may come across and see what facts they purport, go and try to independently verify those purported facts from another source, then try to deduce whether I think the purported facts are true or not.

They may make assertions; same thing, compare and contrast with other sources, do some logical analysis.

One simply does not prove an assertion or claim false by claiming that the source always tells falsehoods.


55 posted on 04/24/2014 11:32:45 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Her fault for dressing provocatively.


56 posted on 04/24/2014 11:33:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Has someone woken the EU yet?


57 posted on 04/24/2014 11:34:51 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: PieterCasparzen
When someone picks apart WP . . . good, FR functioning as intended.
When someone picks apart RT . . . change the subject to WP.
58 posted on 04/24/2014 11:35:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
What does she know, that isn’t public yet???

My exact question. Maybe she'll be tweeting that too.

59 posted on 04/24/2014 11:40:02 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
You seem to be on Russia's side. Putin is a thug. Russia remains our enemy. As far as I'm concerned, you are trying to drum up support for Putin. Sorry, Pete. I won't bite on the "Fortress America" crap, not in this modern age. It's childish and self-defeating.

Opposing Putin's czarist lust is not equal to supporting American globalism. The bad guys deserve to get punched in the nose. Those who won't do it are cowards.


Me no support war, me coward.

You smart man. You realize cold war never over. We keep fighting. Need to keep them global food and energy markets making big dough for dem Blythe Masters peoples.

You doctor, you smart. You know just a spontanemas demonstration of dem Ukranes wantsta go get themselves somma dat Ur-o-pean big money. Yeah, big dollars, we all be rich like Amerika ! Yee-haa ! Everything free in America... for a small fee in America !!!!

It will be different this time. This will be the "right war". No backroom deals of bigshots. Just the poor little Ukrainian farmers - they will be rich ! The elites don't want to enslave them with debt and taxes. That's a conspiracy theory ! It's nuts ! This time is gonna be good ol' socialism, straight up. We can bomb, and bomb and bomb... and bomb. Oh, how glorious. Bodies piled up, every building a pile of rubble. I love it ! Ahhhh, nothing like a good war ! Not to mention the reconstruction. Ahh, the reconstruction. The billions we could make, wow, would that be nice.

Maybe instead you could buy a ticket to Moscow, and go there and punch Putin in the nose. You're no coward. I bet you'd walk right up to him and punch him in the nose.

Old Barroso, the old communist and best bud of GW Bush in the Iraq wars, he would like that. But he'd probably wax poetic about the good old days when the US was kickin' ass an takin' names in the name of globalism.
60 posted on 04/24/2014 12:10:01 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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