[Jean S]

I know this is an old article but I posted it as a reminder why ammo is becoming so expensive.

[refermech]

There are alternatives. It will spark many new materials. Still a shame though.

[morphing libertarian]

Reduce ammunition

Reduce private land.

reduce the cattle

reduce coal

what else?

[SisterK]

Thanks for posting. I did not see the original posting and this is very interesting.
Again, EPA fixes nothing. When the work goes to third world countries, the environment suffers exponentially.

[netguide]

I heard that almost lead for ammo comes from recycled batteries,etc. Don’t know for sure though.

[Figment]

I’ve heard that lead for ammo comes mainly from secondary smelters, recycled batterys and such. I’m sure someone on here has more info on that

[BillyBonebrake]

All I have is an old mossberg 22 but I love it. And hate this administration’s backdoor tactics.

[ConservativeInPA]

I do not like the federal government overreach and would love to see the EPA completely shut down. But with that said, the increase in ammo prices because of a lead smelting facility closure has been debunked. Ammo is more expensive and in some cases is in short supply becuase the demand for ammo is through the roof.

There are many components that go into making a cartridge. If there is a shortage of just one of the components and it is difficult to find a replacement for the component then there will a shortage of the entire cartridge. This is a supply chain problem and much more complicated than shuttering a lead smelter. However, the demand that creates the supply chain problem is the root of the shortages. I have a big problem with local, state and federal agencies establishing paramilitary forces and spending our tax dollars to force their socialist will upon us. I also have a problem with the line at my local Walmart on Thursday at 1 pm where the same people buy ammo before it gets placed on the shelf. Specifically, my problem is that I cannot usually be there at 1 pm because I work.

[clee1]

I buy my lead from scrap and cast my own.

I buy my rifle bullets and reload my own.

I have about 500 pounds of lead on hand and enough components to reload upwards of 250K rounds - not counting what I have loaded and ready to go.

Screw the EPA - there’s always ways around their dictates.

[ExCTCitizen]

Let's all vote this November because if the Marxists posing as Democrats win, we will lose all our freedoms.

This is why I'm not caring about the social issues this year and in 2016, because we need to get people elected who'll battle Obama and the Harry Reid led Marxists. If we lose, we will lose a lot of rights.

[DoughtyOne]

America’s left:

F the Second Amendment...

...and every other bit of it if they get their chance.

[DoughtyOne]

So who provides led for the ammo for the military?

Oh that’s right. What military...

[rockinqsranch]

Our Constitution means nothing to these people. We have to make it mean something to them.

[Amendment10]

Thank you for referencing that article Jean S. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

With all due respect to the author of the referenced article and his law credentials, here are my law credentials.

“3. The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction and no excuse for interpolation or addition.” —United States v. Sprague, 1931.

Regarding the EPA, with the exception of the federal entities indicated in the Constitution's Clause 17 of Secition 8 of Article I, and also federal lands acquired under the Eminent Domain Clause of the 5th Amendment, the major problem with the EPA is that the states have never delegated to the feds, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate environmental issues.

And even if the states had delegated such powers to the feds, the Founding States had also made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative powers whether it wants it or not imo.

So by delegating legislative / regulatory powers to a constitutionally undefined federal agency like the EPA, Congress is not only wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of Sections 1-3 mentioned above, but Congress is delegating powers that the states have never delegated to it.

[Secret Agent Man]

what’s so bad about full copper .22 rounds? all those pre-1982 pennies will finally be worth something.

[molson209]

is lead still used when they balance your tires ?

[andyk]

So the jackboots at the EPA will be dependent upon foreign ammunition (or non-lead based) suppliers.

[Mariner]

I seriously doubt this has anything to do with the price or availability of ammunition. Serious doubt.

Lead is cheap and China and other countries smelt thousands of tons. Ammo manufacturers can buy the bars made elsewhere.

Lead is selling for about $2.50/lb. If you buy a couple hundred pounds it will be a little cheaper.

A pound will provide 140grain of lead for 50 bullets.

$.05 each.

I assure you that a good Nosler 165gr bullet costs MUCH more than that.

The fear-mongering and panic in the article and in this thread is absurd.

[lapsus calami]

 

Need the "oh no, not this **** again" graphic.

 

This has been debunked ad nauseum since the info came out. Stinks that a facility with such a long history of service has shut down, but the impact on ammunition production is negligible if it can be measured at all.

 

[backwoods-engineer]

This article is bunk. I have heard from the head of Sierra Bullets that they do not use virgin lead in their ammo; they have to have a very specific grade, which most often comes from recycled batteries. This lead refinery closing does not affect ammo prices one penny.