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To: vladimir998

“He does - through the Church to which He gave authority.”

No where in Scripture is there a command, example or instructions for this function. It is made up out of whole cloth.

“The Apostles served as the certify body in the early Church.”

Great! List some miracles they certified as miracles.

“Peter, for instance, explains the gift of tongues (a miracle). That would show a recognition of the miracle as a miracle.”

Tongues are a spiritual gift and not a miracle. The instructions in scripture concern proper use of spiritual gifts.

“Peter walked down the street and as his shadow fell on people they were healed.”

“Miracle lite?”

The unverifiable part is that there is no way to prove or disprove this person had any connection. It is an opinion.

“Nope. Christ - working through Padre Pio - healed Gemma who was born blind because she was born without pupils.”

Still an opinion of how it happened.

Nor, of course is a miracle required for anyone to become a saint - other than the amazing miracle of exchanging His righteousness for our sinfulness.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 5:23:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“No where in Scripture is there a command, example or instructions for this function. It is made up out of whole cloth.”

No. Jesus gave authority to the Church.

“Great! List some miracles they certified as miracles.”

All those you read of in the NT - or else they wouldn’t be listed there since it was the Apostles and their disciples who wrote the human authors of scripture.

“Tongues are a spiritual gift and not a miracle.”

They are miracles as well as spiritual gifts, and the spiritual gifts - as supernatural gifts - have a miraculous quality to them anyway.

“The instructions in scripture concern proper use of spiritual gifts.”

That doesn’t stop them from being miraculous in nature.

“The unverifiable part is that there is no way to prove or disprove this person had any connection. It is an opinion.”

Padre Pio? No. It is CERTAIN as to what happened. Gemma is still alive and has no pupils. Thus, she must - by all the laws of nature - be blind. After Pio prayed for her she was able to see, however. Hence, a miracle. There is no other possible explanation.

“Still an opinion of how it happened.”

Nope. We know exactly what happened because there were witnesses. We know Gemma had no pupils. We know Gemma still has no pupils. We know no one can see - at all - without pupils. We know she was brought to Pio. We know he prayed for her and told her she would be better. She began to see - which is impossible. Yet it happened exactly that way as all those involved agree.

“Nor, of course is a miracle required for anyone to become a saint - other than the amazing miracle of exchanging His righteousness for our sinfulness.”

Anyone can get to heaven without performing a miracle on this earth because Christ works the miracles in any sense anyway. A saint in Heaven, however, can be known to be there through their intercession in a miraculous event on this earth.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 6:30:58 PM PDT by vladimir998
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