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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“No where in Scripture is there a command, example or instructions for this function. It is made up out of whole cloth.”

No. Jesus gave authority to the Church.

“Great! List some miracles they certified as miracles.”

All those you read of in the NT - or else they wouldn’t be listed there since it was the Apostles and their disciples who wrote the human authors of scripture.

“Tongues are a spiritual gift and not a miracle.”

They are miracles as well as spiritual gifts, and the spiritual gifts - as supernatural gifts - have a miraculous quality to them anyway.

“The instructions in scripture concern proper use of spiritual gifts.”

That doesn’t stop them from being miraculous in nature.

“The unverifiable part is that there is no way to prove or disprove this person had any connection. It is an opinion.”

Padre Pio? No. It is CERTAIN as to what happened. Gemma is still alive and has no pupils. Thus, she must - by all the laws of nature - be blind. After Pio prayed for her she was able to see, however. Hence, a miracle. There is no other possible explanation.

“Still an opinion of how it happened.”

Nope. We know exactly what happened because there were witnesses. We know Gemma had no pupils. We know Gemma still has no pupils. We know no one can see - at all - without pupils. We know she was brought to Pio. We know he prayed for her and told her she would be better. She began to see - which is impossible. Yet it happened exactly that way as all those involved agree.

“Nor, of course is a miracle required for anyone to become a saint - other than the amazing miracle of exchanging His righteousness for our sinfulness.”

Anyone can get to heaven without performing a miracle on this earth because Christ works the miracles in any sense anyway. A saint in Heaven, however, can be known to be there through their intercession in a miraculous event on this earth.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 6:30:58 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“A saint in Heaven, however, can be known to be there through their intercession in a miraculous event on this earth.”

This is the rub, vlad. There is no way to *know* they heard, interceded or even know what happened. A human committee attributes the miracle without *knowing*.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 6:48:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Padre Pio? No. It is CERTAIN as to what happened. Gemma is still alive and has no pupils.

So then where is she??? Why is she not on EWTN??? Can you imagine the number of people she could draw to the Catholic religion if there was any truth to the story??? I'd say if it was true, this woman would have her face plastered all over the tv and internet...

37 posted on 04/19/2014 7:05:34 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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