Posted on 04/19/2014 9:10:43 AM PDT by ponygirl
Edited on 04/19/2014 9:19:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Then they built a huge number of forts and hired soldiers to fight the Indians so the land could be settled.
The feds paid for the territorial govts.
And it was the people back east who were paying for this.
A lot of people will tell you that the way Congress disbursed the western lands, or didn't disburse the western lands, was done in a way that would limit the power of the west(relative to the east), after these western states entered the union.
Yeah Rory is a chip off the old block, isn’t he? Does that family have any shame?
About time.
I believe it began with the survey of the Northwest Territories. There were dispute going back to colonies about where the western boundaries were. The feds ordered a survey of the Northwest terr. After the survey they sold off parcels of land and retired the national debt which came out of the revolution war and thereafter,
I believe this was the model for subsequent territories and one of the reasons the income tax was not permanent until the 1900s after we ran out of new territories.
I would like to see a balanced budget amendment followed by a federal land sale off. Say 50% sold and 50% under state control. We may not retire the national debt, but we could pay it down by a few trillion.
How are we then going to pay back our debt to the Chi-cons & others. The U.S. will not declared BK. By law it can't & its assets must be given as collateral. If we take all of the govs land there is no payments. The elites will not allow it, ergo this will be a fight to the finish if both hunker down. Since when have the people in recent times ever won that war.
I agree completely with your concerns.
America is currently broken.
We import everything from China it seems. 440 billion last year in imports from China, vs just 122 billion in exports to China.
Every day we owe China more, than we did the day before.
Our entire system is built on sold-out formerly American businesses, using Chinese labor then re-importing the goods back to America.
The problem with this is, China is not open. Americans cannot invest in Chinese companies or buy Chinese land. So what happens is we rack up ever more debt.
No don’t sell off our federal lands until we get America’s terrible trade deficit under control.
First. Now.
When Congress enacted the Taylor Grazing Act they created the Grazing Division to manage the act and the lands. And that was renamed the US Grazing Service, which would be merged with General Land Office to create the BLM in 1946.
Then Congress enacted FLPMA(1976) which radically changed and enlarged the BLM mission, so all the General Land Office duties were removed from BLM. All homesteading ended in 1976 and the mission became multi-use. There were other things to be done with the lands besides grazing.
I'll tell you a little secret. The states don't want these lands. The grazers won't buy them because they would then have to pay property taxes. If the states take these lands, then they will be the ones getting sued by Earth Justice and the Sierra Club. The developers would love to get the lands so they could turn them into Mini-Ranchettes and Mobile Home Estates.
And it wasn't just FLPMA in the 70s. OSHA, MHSA, Endangered Species Act, Clean Water and Air Acts and other enviro regs, creating EPA, Healthy Forests and how clearcutting would proceed in the Natl Forests, the Magnussen Act and the feds taking control of the ocean fisheries.
It didn't work in the dry zone west. In order for it to work in the west, these parcels would have to be huge and Congress was not willing pass out large tracts of land..
So, instead the tracts remained small, and these other lands would be available so individuals could graze out onto the govt land.
Land was/is power
As if toilets, ladders, light bulbs, septic systems, lawn mowers, and pretty much anything related to life aren’t prime examples as well. Food, clothing, shelter, transportation, travel, Identification, personal privacy, hand in your pocket from birth to death and it will only get worse unless we the people in the name of sovereign states take control before all possibility of control is lost.
>>> The states don’t want these lands.<<<
More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds...”
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp
Apparently this group wants the lands in their states back.
The Feds are doing a fine job of managing the land at gunpoint. It seems this Nevada rancher has a good case of adverse possession going for him.
“I’ll tell you a little secret. The states don’t want these lands.
If the states take these lands, then they will be the ones getting sued by Earth Justice and the Sierra Club.”
I’m not buying either comment, but part of the problem appears to be an out of control judiciary. Something isn’t right when an organization can shop judges to get what they want for a verdict, meaning one man in a black robe against the people.
You and I both know that was not the Republic the Founders designed, and radical environmentalists comprising a small fraction of the moral busybodies in the United States have been granted far more license than they ever should have had.
I believe much of the highly destructive forest fires we have been force to endure and the Mountain Pine Beetle destruction can be laid right at the doorstep of those ignorant folks who place the life of anything on the planet on a higher scale than man, who was given dominion over all.
I call all of this misguided meddling people wanting to play God rather than understanding what goodness he has provided for our blessing and benefit.
He has lost over and over in court. It is only now after he has exhausted all his legal arguments that he decided to fight it with guns
The good guys. :-)
Yes, I did not address the size of lots etc, but the method was used throughout the 1800s IIRC.
This will be the next American Revolution.
YOU ARE SO WRONG.
It’s not all about selling the land. It’s about managing it. The Feds to a piss poor job of it and then charge us for it. The people closest to it do a better job.
He has a case in claiming prescriptive easement. And this is why the Feds are crapping themselves and deciding to go all Rambo on the man.
Who brought the guns out first? It certainly wasn’t Bundy.
Got it bookmarked. Thanks Hildy.
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