Posted on 04/16/2014 10:01:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Ohio officials must immediately recognize the same-sex marriages of four couples who sued over the state's gay marriage ban, a federal judge said Wednesday, while staying the broader effects of his ruling to avoid "premature celebration and confusion" in case it's overturned on appeal.
Judge Timothy Black stayed his ruling ordering Ohio to recognize the marriages of gay couples who wed in other states pending appeal in the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati. The appeals process likely will take months.
Had Black not issued the stay, all married gay couples living in Ohio would have been able to immediately begin obtaining the same benefits as any other married couple in the state, including property rights and the right to make some medical decisions for each other.
Black said the stay does not apply to the four couples who filed the February lawsuit that led to the court case and ordered Ohio to immediately list both spouses in each relationship as parents on their children's birth certificates.
In explaining the stay, Black said that although he doesn't think the state's appeal will succeed, there is still a chance the 6th Circuit could overturn his decision.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
I don’t think you understood what that post was pointing out.
Most of us oppose gay marriage and abortion at FR and we do it in our political activity, political promotion, political support, in our candidate choices and platform support and our political voting, but there exists those here, who oppose us and our politics.
Read the thread.
Are you capable of making shorter posts? I don’t want to have to unravel a book in an effort to respond to your long and rambling posts.
What is wrong with this post, anything much?
To: SADMILLIE
Libertarians support gay marriage by opposing any action whatsoever, they oppose DOMA, and a Constitutional amendment, and their presidential candidate is calling to drop opposition to gay marriage, as he runs for the office that oversees, gay marriage in the military, in federal employment and immigration.
22 posted on 4/16/2014 11:16:10 AM by ansel12
Better yet - the time has come to “nullify” federal judges.
In fact, the time has come to “nullify” the entire federal apparatchik.
“...The hugest sin is stealing ...”
That’s total horse crap. The most grievous sin of all is homosexual perversion.
The four sins “calling down the wrath of God” are as follows:
1. Shedding of innocent blood (murder, abortion, euthanasia)
2. The sin of Sodom - the unnatural vice (homosexual acts)
3. Defrauding a laborer of just wages
4. Oppressing widows and orphans
Just those four are listed in Sacred Scripture as being the ones that “call down the wrath of God.” No where else in the scriptures is the phrase used.
In fact, the sin of Sodom (homosexual acts) is so evil and so debasing that even the demons are repulsed by the act!
Thus, while a demon may inflict a soul with lust, the demon will not remain in the person committing homosexual acts.
That action is not because the demon desires good; but rather for reason that demons were first created as angelic beings, and thus their nature abhors so grievous a sin ...
A demon cannot tolerate to inhabit one who commits homosexual acts. That should give you a very clear idea as to the true extent of the evil present in such behavior.
This is a total crock!
You libertarian dimwits are all the same. You think you can have fiscal sanity, while you ignore moral depravity ... I got news for you - immorality is what brings about “big government” and the “big debt spending” to support it!
You think you can have freedom in a moral vacuum?
BTW, I DID NOT VOTE FOR, NOR APPROVE OF GOVERNMENT THEFT - EVER! So take your accusations and stick where the Sun don’t shine.
And while your feeling so damn preachy, you might consider the FIRST Commandment ... I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE NO FALSE GODS BEFORE ME.
Just what the heck do you libertarian twits think all your rants for maximum individual liberty without any form of moral restraint or absolutes entails? You guys are up to your ears deep in SELF-WORSHIP.
So, you who live in a glass house - stop throwing stones. Physician, heal thyself!
Keep one thing in mind with these stipulations - Yes, render to Caesar what is Caesars ... BUT REMEMBER, Caesar does not own your soul - God does. We owe no obedience to corrupt government - that is why the first Christians went to their deaths rather than pay tribute to false deities. If a government is not “doing good” the that automatically forfeits all the stipulations you listed. For, as the State is a creature of God, so to then must the state have a DUTY to honor God and uphold the moral law. Failing this, we are released from any obligation to obey the State.
There was a moral vacuum for years that you ignored. The government STOLE. It taxed us for things that a government was never supposed to do.
Now you’re seeing the results. Stealing spread to other forms of self-centeredness.
“The love of money is a root of all the evils.”
Blaming economic issues on other vices is bass-ackwards and the bible itself vouches for that.
It is also about destroying and ELIMINATING marriage altogether ... Here, in their own words, straight from the horses mouth:
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=231796
Lesbian Russian-American journalist Masha Gessen speaks openly about eradicating marriage at the 2012 Sydney Writers Festival.
“I agree. It’s a no-brainer that we should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist (crowd cheers loudly)…. Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie. The institution of marriage is going to change and it should change, and again, I don’t think it should exist.”
Here is the You Tube video of same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJrmBocx0o4
Put a sock in it, pal - you are talking out your butt hole.
Who are you to tell me what I ignored - or not? You have a view into my mind and soul? So now you think yourself omniscient?
As I stated above - Libertarians think themselves gods, and are, for the most, a cadre of self-absorbed, self-important anarchists. You prove my point.
You do not know me; and from reading your posts, I will state that you neither know jack, but you think yourself wise. You roll out your bible-thumping, holier-than-though Bee Ess on other posters here, as though you were incapable of being wrong. You pass judgment on those whose hearts you cannot know. I guess I am supposed to be impressed by your self-alleged certitude. News flash, bucky - I’m not.
You do not impress me. You come across as a deranged zealot, who talks out of both side of his mouth ... I’ve been sitting back, quietly reading through your many religious rants ... A typical hypocrite, detached from reality. Get your nose out of “the Bible” for a day, take a hard look at what you’re shoveling, and get a life.
You are sore because you’ve been called on how lightly you treated the “love of money.” You should be sticking the sock in it, until you take that seriously again.
And just about everything you said in that last paragraph applies, mutando mutandis, to you.
What is wrong is that you are citing yourself as evidence to support your accusation that HiTech is Satanic.
If HiTech is a Rand Paul or libertarian supporter, why not just expose the flaws of these things rather than conjuring up unsubstantiated allegations of Satanism?
“...The hugest sin is stealing ...”
WTFOVR, you are right that stealing is not labeled particularly worse than many other sins. It IS ONE of the TEN Commandments.
James 2:10-11
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
“Just those four are listed in Sacred Scripture as being the ones that ‘call down the wrath of God.’”
That’s incorrect. God’s wrath is revealed from Heaven against all sin. All men are subject to divine wrath unless and until they believe on The Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
The wrath of God is being stored up for those who reject the sacrifice of Christ’s death on the cross for atonement of sins.
Romans 2:2-6
But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”
“In fact, the sin of Sodom (homosexual acts) is so evil and so debasing that even the demons are repulsed by the act!”
Wrong again. Sodomy is actually similar to the behavior of fallen angels in Noah’s day.
Jude 6-7
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Thanks for posting that link. It is enlightening.
I can post them, if you can’t figure it out from this thread.
HiTech is a Rand Paul supporter and a libertarian, and if you would read our exchange starting with post 22, you would see something if you will erase all the religious words and references from his posts, and just look at the pure politics of how he works and what politics he is promoting, and trying to prevent us from practicing, you will notice just what I’ve been saying.
When you realize that his politics are always against conservatives, and against protecting marriage and ending abortion and that he opposes social conservatism, and social conservative politics and is always fighting them, then you start seeing the evil of how he uses GOD and Christ to push his agenda.
Do you think the libertarians are the true Christian Bible believers, and that the social conservatives and their fight against abortion and the gay agenda, are nothing but “statists”?
I doubt that you do, NOBODY DOES, yet HiTech does, and he adopted the preachy God language a number of years ago, which was a new angle for him to use to push his libertarian agenda.
If you notice his use of God and Christ, is to convince Christians to NOT pursue our conservative politics and try to change the laws on abortion, and gay marriage in the military and federal employment and immigration, etc.
Rand Paul calling for the GOP to drop social issues:
“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”
I read all of them and still did not see evidence for what you are claiming. Going by what I read I get the impression that HiTech opposes abortion and gay marriage morally and politically. If you have been seeing this for years then you should be able to document something a little more specific.
Now I do agree with you that libertarianism is a moral cop-out on these issues. I have heard plenty of “Christian” liberals claim to be against abortion but then say they are just not for using the law to force their views on others. This is a complete misunderstanding of the role of law and government. Protecting the sanctity of life and opposing the criminal enterprise that the abortion industry is a part of, does not constitute forcing a religious view on someone else. Otherwise, having laws against murder, robbery, theft, etc. would also be forcing our religious views on others too. This is essentially the libertarian position, which is practically no different than the liberal position legally.
So we agree on that.
Post 23 was his first post to me, does it seem a little strange as a response to post 22, from a pro-life, pro-marriage conservative?
To: SADMILLIE
Libertarians support gay marriage by opposing any action whatsoever, they oppose DOMA, and a Constitutional amendment, and their presidential candidate is calling to drop opposition to gay marriage, as he runs for the office that oversees, gay marriage in the military, in federal employment and immigration.
22 posted on 4/16/2014 11:16:10 AM by ansel12
To: ansel12
First that’s a lot of overgeneralizing lies.
Second you ignore the gospel. Government has presumed to do what only the church actually could.
23 posted on 4/16/2014 11:17:35 AM by HiTech RedNeck
Sigh, sigh, SIGH.
Why are you carrying on like this? “Truth has fallen in the streets!”
If you really think a facial assault on the “gay marriage” craze is the Numero Uno priority, well please feel free to knock yourself out over it. I will never ever tell anyone that they are RIGHT to institute such an abomination, despite your accusations. That would be like a law declaring that every cat is a dog. It’s nonsense!
I grant that my take is an opinion. However I believe it is based on a very valid insight. The government has gotten too “damned” proud. It assumed it could boast against God. Now I believe it is valid to ask, did it just get this way overnight, or has it been decades, even centuries in the making? And I believe the answer is uncomfortable. It is an elephant in the living room before it was in vogue to talk about elephants in living rooms. Nothing should need to be taxed at rates of 40%, considering that 10% was an outlandish figure in the bible. The government became not a steward but a nanny, while the church grew flaccid and weak, WAY before anyone thought to fly the novel (and blasphemous) idea of “gay marriage rights.”
Measures that are aimed at reducing the arrogance of government are long overdue. I think the financial side will force itself if we don’t address it explicitly. But to say that overweening pride wasn’t there long before the “gay marriage” debacle, and that it won’t be patched up with a patchwork of “anti-gay-marriage” laws, is, for me, to state the obvious. Yes, by all means please say that you believe it obvious that marriage can’t be redefined. (I personally have never budged from this position.) But the iron, IM very HO, is hotter on the economics side. People are yawning at “gay marriage” but are NOT yawning at the taxes, the bureaucratic bloat, and the snooping.
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