I can post them, if you can’t figure it out from this thread.
HiTech is a Rand Paul supporter and a libertarian, and if you would read our exchange starting with post 22, you would see something if you will erase all the religious words and references from his posts, and just look at the pure politics of how he works and what politics he is promoting, and trying to prevent us from practicing, you will notice just what I’ve been saying.
When you realize that his politics are always against conservatives, and against protecting marriage and ending abortion and that he opposes social conservatism, and social conservative politics and is always fighting them, then you start seeing the evil of how he uses GOD and Christ to push his agenda.
Do you think the libertarians are the true Christian Bible believers, and that the social conservatives and their fight against abortion and the gay agenda, are nothing but “statists”?
I doubt that you do, NOBODY DOES, yet HiTech does, and he adopted the preachy God language a number of years ago, which was a new angle for him to use to push his libertarian agenda.
If you notice his use of God and Christ, is to convince Christians to NOT pursue our conservative politics and try to change the laws on abortion, and gay marriage in the military and federal employment and immigration, etc.
I read all of them and still did not see evidence for what you are claiming. Going by what I read I get the impression that HiTech opposes abortion and gay marriage morally and politically. If you have been seeing this for years then you should be able to document something a little more specific.
Now I do agree with you that libertarianism is a moral cop-out on these issues. I have heard plenty of “Christian” liberals claim to be against abortion but then say they are just not for using the law to force their views on others. This is a complete misunderstanding of the role of law and government. Protecting the sanctity of life and opposing the criminal enterprise that the abortion industry is a part of, does not constitute forcing a religious view on someone else. Otherwise, having laws against murder, robbery, theft, etc. would also be forcing our religious views on others too. This is essentially the libertarian position, which is practically no different than the liberal position legally.
So we agree on that.
Sigh, sigh, SIGH.
Why are you carrying on like this? “Truth has fallen in the streets!”
If you really think a facial assault on the “gay marriage” craze is the Numero Uno priority, well please feel free to knock yourself out over it. I will never ever tell anyone that they are RIGHT to institute such an abomination, despite your accusations. That would be like a law declaring that every cat is a dog. It’s nonsense!
I grant that my take is an opinion. However I believe it is based on a very valid insight. The government has gotten too “damned” proud. It assumed it could boast against God. Now I believe it is valid to ask, did it just get this way overnight, or has it been decades, even centuries in the making? And I believe the answer is uncomfortable. It is an elephant in the living room before it was in vogue to talk about elephants in living rooms. Nothing should need to be taxed at rates of 40%, considering that 10% was an outlandish figure in the bible. The government became not a steward but a nanny, while the church grew flaccid and weak, WAY before anyone thought to fly the novel (and blasphemous) idea of “gay marriage rights.”
Measures that are aimed at reducing the arrogance of government are long overdue. I think the financial side will force itself if we don’t address it explicitly. But to say that overweening pride wasn’t there long before the “gay marriage” debacle, and that it won’t be patched up with a patchwork of “anti-gay-marriage” laws, is, for me, to state the obvious. Yes, by all means please say that you believe it obvious that marriage can’t be redefined. (I personally have never budged from this position.) But the iron, IM very HO, is hotter on the economics side. People are yawning at “gay marriage” but are NOT yawning at the taxes, the bureaucratic bloat, and the snooping.
And friend, guess what. Reducing the arrogance of government IS the most basic libertarian plank.
You continue to conflate the risks of “too much” liberty with the ills of licentiousness. This would be a valid concern if there was nothing but government to induce people to behave. But if it is that way, it is because the church has gotten flaccid. People don’t care about going to hell right on earth. The church didn’t exercise the power it had in early America through Caesar. It exercised the power through a convincing message.
By getting in bed with Caesar, the church gets spiritually weaker, every single solitary time.
And, friend, if we strike where the iron is hottest and force civil servants (who are sometimes very uncivil) back into the productive marketplace, where they furnish something that is considered worthier of individual spending than pencil pushing in some fortress, then government will regain credibility. THEN the iron for other “morality” issues will become hot again.
That’s the sort of coalition Paul is trying to bring together. But because your own axe is not at the top of his pile, you accuse him of all manner of evil things that are not in evidence and continue in your lies. And that renders YOU weak.