Judge Stays Most of Ohio Gay Marriage Ruling

ABC News ^ | 04/16/2014 | AMANDA LEE MYERS

[SeekAndFind]

Ohio officials must immediately recognize the same-sex marriages of four couples who sued over the state's gay marriage ban, a federal judge said Wednesday, while staying the broader effects of his ruling to avoid "premature celebration and confusion" in case it's overturned on appeal.

Judge Timothy Black stayed his ruling ordering Ohio to recognize the marriages of gay couples who wed in other states pending appeal in the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati. The appeals process likely will take months.

Had Black not issued the stay, all married gay couples living in Ohio would have been able to immediately begin obtaining the same benefits as any other married couple in the state, including property rights and the right to make some medical decisions for each other.

Black said the stay does not apply to the four couples who filed the February lawsuit that led to the court case and ordered Ohio to immediately list both spouses in each relationship as parents on their children's birth certificates.

In explaining the stay, Black said that although he doesn't think the state's appeal will succeed, there is still a chance the 6th Circuit could overturn his decision.

[lavaroise]

So the gamblers with sex get same status as those calculating risks, having children and planning a life.

Way to go slut Fluke America... your money for my lottery ticket right.

The country is completely out of its rocker. And jugdes are either gangsters or blackmailed suckered by them.

We also gamble with our vets and national security into the One Zero.

Just great. But it is all politics liberals say.

And the GOPe say it is just a tax, notwithstanding the word racket.

[fwdude]

Gotta get that immovable foot in the door.

[fwdude]

Kennedy was the irrational homo vote in Windsor, not Roberts.

[OldArmy52]

And there are the uninformed who still think the USA is a democracy?

When one person can overrule millions, it is no democracy.

The USA is not a democracy, not a constitutional republic, etc any more than the USSR was.

[Chode]

i they recognize some faggot sham union, then they better recognize out of state pistol permits...

[usconservative]

Had Black not issued the stay, all married gay couples living in Ohio would have been able to immediately begin obtaining the same benefits as any other married couple in the state, including property rights and the right to make some medical decisions for each other.

All of which can be handled by giving each other Power of Attorney. "Gay marriage" has never been about equal rights - it's always been about destroying the Church.

I've said it a million times before, and I'll keep saying it until I die.

[ecomcon]

Liberals have no consistent positions or values, as far as procedures, processes.

That is because they have a relativist world view, they do not acknowledge objective truth, therefore they can be on both sides of an issue. e.g. John Kerry, et.al.

[highball]

“I believe God told us to obey our earthly leaders because He put them in office.”

I don’t believe God put Barack Obama in the White House.

[AppyPappy]

So you don’t believe the Bible?

[highball]

I believe in free will. I do not believe that God ordained Obama for the White House, and that means we need to support Obama while he’s there.

[AppyPappy]

I believe the Bible.

[unlearner]

I may have argued with HiTech RedNeck a few times, but it is incorrect that he advocates for same-sex marriage. I think his views represent the majority of Freepers, i.e. oppose homosexual special protections and “marriage” but does not support the biblical designation of homosexual sex warranting capital punishment. (I have pointed out that both the Old and New Testaments treat homosexual sex as deserving the death penalty.)

I agree with ansel112 that the views of Rand Paul are not good on this issue, but I hope we are not ready to ban Rand Paul supporters just because he is not as good as Ted Cruz.

We are all edgy and angry over the continual destruction of our nation and culture we are witnessing daily. But sometimes we need to remember we are one the same team and not turn into a circular firing squad.

[ansel12]

HiTech does certainly push for gay marriage and without let up, look at this thread and any thread where he is engaged on it.

Nothing can shake Hi from always opposing any political resistance, any legislation, any candidate who opposes gay marriage, at any level, for instance at the federal level in the military, federal employment and immigration, that is why he started with the GOD angle a few years ago, to keep promoting his libertarian positions while sounding too religious to be fighting for what he is fighting for, he does the same on abortion, as he opposes pro-life politics and mocks the political successes of the pro-life movement, and continues his rants against pro-life and pro-marriage politics and legislation, and candidates.

Why you would say something as bizarre as you did about him representing the majority of freepers views, and then instead of describing that majority view as being for traditional marriage, life, and opposing the gay agenda, you described us as, against the “death penalty” for homosexual sex, is sickly dishonest, there is no interest or thought or discussion about the “death penalty” for homosexuals.

We support conservative candidates and conservative politics, small government and marriage, and life, and those apply at all levels, for all candidates, it isn’t small government to be fighting to preserve Obama’s gay marriage at the federal level in the military, and federal employment, and immigration, or fighting against and mocking as “statist” and NON-Christian, social conservatism, yet that is what HiTech is doing, and doing with everything that he can counter the Christians with, for instance, gay marriage in the name of God, and libertarians as being the true faithful and criticizing libertarianism as “blaspheming” the true bible people.

HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see, in defense of the homosexual agenda, and even abortion when someone can engage him enough on it to get him to speaking openly.

[ansel12]

I can also say that more plainly.

If you support fighting gay marriage with conservative candidates, conservative politics and keeping it in the GOP platform, who are you guaranteed to be opposed by at freerepublic, who will fight you tooth and nail to block efforts to protect traditional marriage, and will pull out all the stops to resist and oppose any political opposition to gay marriage?

[unlearner]

“Why you would say something as bizarre as you did about him representing the majority of Freepers views, and then instead of describing that majority view as being for traditional marriage, life, and opposing the gay agenda, you described us as, against the “death penalty” for homosexual sex, is sickly dishonest, there is no interest or thought or discussion about the “death penalty” for homosexuals.”

I have. I have pointed out that the Bible says that homosexual sex is a crime that deserves death. The Bible also allows for the possibility of mercy when the death penalty is what we deserve. HiTech RedNeck and you apparently share the same opinion as most Freepers that homosexual sex should not warrant a death penalty. I can respect that and your reasons for it. I am not going to hurl accusations like you are making just because the majority does not agree with me on how I understand the Bible on this topic.

But when the homosexual movement evolves into a new Nazi-like entity, God’s laws about homosexual sex will not seem so radical to those suffering at the hands of people unrestrained by conscience or empathy. We are very close when all fifty states allow homosexuals to be foster and adoptive parents. This is child abuse, and we as a society stand condemned for allowing it to get this far.

We condemn Muslim countries for the abuses of some of their members (and rightly so), but we do not generally accept our own moral failure for such horrible evils. I think our founders would be ashamed of us for being so taken up with food, entertainment, money and comforts of this world that we have never drawn the line in the sand and said enough is enough. We think it is a shame that abortion is legal, it makes us angry that our tax dollars are used to torture and murder, it makes us uncomfortable to think homosexual may be destroying the lives of innocent children because our legal system places children in their care; but ranting and voting have not been enough to stop it. I count myself as not doing my part to stop this. I am not pointing fingers. But our founders, after a long time of patient tolerance finally risked everything for liberty. I think there are still Americans who follow in the same steps, and I hope I will live up to this standard when life and death choices are made.

As I have said before, at the start of this country homosexual sex was criminal with laws on the books making it a capital offense in many cases. Tolerance has taken us this far. And the problem is that MOST Freepers apparently buy into the “consenting adults” theory of morality when it comes to law. This moral position creeped into our society in the late eighteen hundreds and brought with it all of the death and destruction of homosexuality and abortion.

“HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see, in defense of the homosexual agenda, and even abortion”

Show me the links to these posts. I have seen many posts from HiTech RedNeck and never seen any advocating abortion or homosexual conduct or so-called marriage. He states his views on his about page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~hitechredneck/

If I am wrong, point it out and I will join you in condemning him, but I do not recall ever seeing what you are describing.

Supporting Rand Paul does not constitute supporting abortion and homosexual marriage. Rand Paul may have bad positions and even voting history on some social issues due to his libertarian views, but he not the Devil incarnate either. You may be right in thinking he will not help further our cause on these issues, but you should make your case for that rather than just write off any of his supporters as fringe. If he is the Republican presidential candidate I don’t know if I can hold my nose and vote for a poor choice of a candidate for the third (or more) time in a row.

We cannot afford to write off anyone who does not tow the line perfectly for conservatism. We MUST engage those who agree and disagree in the marketplace of reason and ideas. We must argue conservatism logically until opposing views are exposed for their error. In my mind that is the value of a forum like this one. Wrong thinking can be corrected. None of us are perfect. I have had to get straightened out my share of times. As I said before, we do not need to form any circular firing squads.

[ansel12]

HiTech RedNeck and you apparently share the same opinion as most Freepers that homosexual sex should not warrant a death penalty. I can respect that and your reasons for it.

Wow, do you realize how nutty and out of touch you sound?

As far as the rest of your post, why don't you just try reading the thread, and see if you can see HiTech's war against politically opposing gay marriage.

HiTech's political war is against conservative politics, and in behalf of preserving gay marriage, and even abortion, on other threads.

His political activism is to end social conservative politics and to defeat conservative politics. Have you read our exchange on this thread at all?

[ansel12]

Let me ask you, do you oppose abortion and gay marriage?

I assume the answer is yes, but tell me, do you actually and truly oppose them politically and with your vote, or do you oppose conservatism and our fight against those laws, and our preference for candidates and a party platform that opposes them?

Is your political energy and life on FR devoted to ending gay marriage and abortion politically, or in protecting them, and mocking and discouraging, and opposing pro-lifers and conservatives?

[unlearner]

“Let me ask you, do you oppose abortion and gay marriage?”

Absolutely, yes.

“do you actually and truly oppose them politically and with your vote”

Yes.

“Is your political energy and life on FR devoted to ending gay marriage and abortion politically”

Yes.

I am solidly conservative on abortion and homosexuality.

I do not ignore the encroaching lies that allow these evils to be tolerated. For example, I have pointed out repeatedly that pro-life means being opposed to abortion clinics AND fertility clinics. Fertility clinics routinely discard fetuses as much as or more than abortion clinics. Their methods cause more abortions than Planned Parenthood. Now, it is probably true that late term abortions inflict horrific pain while what the fertility clinics do may not cause any pain to the fetus; but it is still equally immoral.

I pointed out that even Christian films like Facing the Giants (accidentally and unintentionally) included such deception on this issue. The main characters are a Christian couple who could not have children. The husband tells the doctor that he cannot afford fertility treatments. I do not think the author /film maker realized that these fertility treatments always result in abortions. Either this issue should have been avoided in the script, or he should have stated that it was against his beliefs to do this.

I believe that abortion and homosexuality are spread through lies and deception. The problem is we are all deceived to some degree or another. A person who is deceived is unaware he or she is deceived, otherwise we would not be deceived. This is the point of reasoned debate.

Another example of this is that I personally spoke with a Christian gynecologist who advocated women using birth control pills after giving birth in order to be sure they do not get pregnant too soon. I asked him about what I had heard about their being abortificient. He said they would not be if prescribed correctly. Unfortunately, he was deceived also. His authority allowed me to be deceived as well. It was years later that I learned that all chemical forms of birth control CAN be abortificient. I also learned how destructive birth control pills are to women. They mimic pregnancy for prolonged periods of time resulting in the possibility of abortions for any who are sexually active. They also cause extreme emotional problems for most women.

[unlearner]

“Wow, do you realize how nutty and out of touch you sound?”

I will take it as a compliment based on the rants I have read coming from YOU on this thread.

In 29 you said: “It is Satanic for you to keep fighting to preserve gay marriage at the federal level and claim to be doing it in the name of God.”

In 36 you said: “The creepiest defense of gay marriage and gay marriage candidates on freerepublic, or anywhere on the planet, ‘gay marriage in the name of Christ’.”

In 74 you said: “HiTech makes the most Satanic, anti-God, anti-Christian posts we see”

These are outrageous accusations which you have not supported with evidence. Now, looking back, I do see that HiTech engaged you first with a couple of posts which might have understandably made you angry. I do not agree with his support of libertarian candidates. I personally lived in Ron Paul’s district for several years and experienced his all-over-the-board positions which are morally opposed to abortion and homosexual marriage but then leave the door wide open when it comes to the role of federal government. I share your frustration with libertarianism. I am all for a limited role of federal government, but that does not mean a nonexistent role. That is a cop out. I think some libertarians would say that if some states want to allow Satan worshippers to offer little babies as sacrifices and eat them, then it is a state’s right issue. When a state or nation or other entity becomes this corrupt, they can no longer be part of civil society. A live and let live attitude does not work.

“As far as the rest of your post, why don’t you just try reading the thread,”

Why don’t YOU answer my question of exactly which one?
Because I followed your comments to HiTech, and his to you, all the way to the start of this thread and found NONE of the ridiculous accusations you made to be substantiated. That is why I asked you to provide ONE solitary link. All you did is continue to rant and insult.

“Have you read our exchange on this thread at all?”

Yes. Again, point out the specific post he made anywhere on this thread or any other place where he advocated for homosexual sex or abortion because that is a slanderous accusation if you have NOTHING to back it up. If you don’t know how to copy and paste a link, you could mention a post number or quote what was said or something. You provide zero evidence to back up your outlandish statements.

As far a what the Bible says about homosexual sex, you can call me “nutty” but you might as well call Moses, Jesus and Paul the apostle “nutty” if you think saying that homosexual sex deserves the death penalty because that is what they all said. And I will be happy to post the exact references if you do not know the Bible well enough to verify this fact for yourself.

The Nazi movement was a homosexual movement. This is well documented in The Pink Swastika which can be downloaded online for free. When homosexuals get in power they are unrestrained by their own conscience or the ability to feel empathy or sympathy toward the pain of others. They will do far worse than give the death penalty to anyone who opposes them. They have access to America’s children NOW. Anyone who tries to take that away from them will be in danger of a fate worse than death.

I may sound like “nutty” to people like you now. But history and the Bible both validate what I am saying.

I never said that the death penalty was the solution to the prominence of homosexual perversion in our society. I never advocated changing the laws to enact the death penalty for this. (The Bible says the same thing about adultery which is far more prevalent in our culture than homosexuality.) I merely stated that this is how serious of a crime the Bible makes it. I believe the only hope for society or homosexuals or all of us, is to repent of our sins and believe the Gospel.

That being said however, I do believe the threat of the law is necessary to restrain evil. When society accepts God’s moral law that homosexuality is a crime worthy of death, you will still have times when it happens. But it will happen less, and less openly, and you will not see homosexuals openly trying to spread their perversion to children by being their teachers, mentors or parents. Homosexuals cannot be changed by passing a law, but they can be restrained from doing a lot of things they are doing now.

I have been stating my position openly for 10 years. When I said this nation was in danger of following the exact same path as Nazi Germany due to the homosexual activism, I had Freepers mock and laugh at me. After Obama became president and “evolved” on his position on homosexual marriage, no one has been mocking me about where this nation is headed. A lot more people see the writing on the wall.