FOUNDING FATHERS MADE SURE BUNDY FAMILY WAS ARMED

Breitbart ^ | April 14, 2014 | by AWR HAWKINS

[Jim Robinson]

As tensions rose and a standoff ensued between Bureau of Land Management (BLM) agents and Cliven Bundy and his family on April 11th and 12th, one thing was evident: through the Second Amendment, the Founding Fathers guaranteed that Bundy could be armed to protect his life and property.

KLAS-TV described a meeting between armed federal agents and armed Bundy family members during one of the highest points of tension.

No guns were misused nor were any used offensively. However, guns were present because of our Founding Fathers' forethought.

We do not have guns for the purposes of sporting or hunting--although guns are certainly fine tools for those activites. We have them, rather, because our Founding Fathers recognized a God-given right to keep and bear arms to protect our lives, families, and property. This right is not simply to provide protection from burglary or life-threatening attacks, but from tyranny as well--tyranny within or without our borders.

[Cats Pajamas]

I am officially over Rush.

[DannyTN]

Well that’s interesting, but someone’s got to get the least allocation of land. I don’t understand why the Alabama renunciation of clams was overturned. It seems to me that if a deal is made to become a state, that deal should stand on it’s own.-

[sport]

Me too.

[GeronL]

very disappointing

[bunkerhill7]

History says otherwise:

The British themselves testified to the fact:

1777 Sept. “24th Weather delightful. 4 or 5 shot exchanged between our [British] forging parties
and the rebels about 9 this morning. Early this morning our pickets in the rear fired at some straggling rebels.
This township of Norrington is very rebellious.
All the manufactures about this country
seem to consist of Powder, Ball, Shot, firearms and swords.
The army halted this day.”

1777 Nov. “6th ...Quarter Master General received orders to
fix our Quarters near this city, intended for 10,000 men.
Gun powder found lodged in Chimneys of this city by the rebels.” [Philadelphia]
p.474

“The Montresor Journals”, Volume 14 By John Montrésor, James Gabriel Montrésor, edit Scull.

[V_TWIN]

I have believed for some time that voter fraud is far worse than people know. Why don’t they know? Because the media will not report it and is keeping it secret. Do I sound paranoid? probably, but still........

[CrazyIvan]

Liddy said a few things that fit that description.

[TauntedTiger]

Forget history, Rush Revere better spring back to the present and cover Bunkerville.

[bunkerhill7]

“The American general [Schuyler] before leaving Fort Edward issued a proclamation calling to his aid the militia of New England and New York. Aroused by the danger, multitudes obeyed his call. Vermont poured forth her daring Green Mountain boys; the other states of New England their hardy yeomanry ardent in the cause of freedom; New York her valiant sons indignant at this invasion of her territory and determined to protect their property from pillage and destruction.
These beset the invaders on every side impeding their progress cutting off their supplies and fatiguing them by incessant attacks “
“History of the United States: from their first settlement as colonies, to ...” 1826
By Salma Hale

I WOULD TEND TO NOT CONCUR.

EVERY MAN in my ancestral tree 1775-1781 fought in the American Revolution.

[Cats Pajamas]

I stopped listening about two hours in. Was too disgusted he didn’t even mention it. Colbert was his first story. Really? Fin~

[fulltlt]

I just sent him an email at ElRushbo@EIBnet.com

[Lou Budvis]

You’ll also notice that Palin’s and Cruz’s facebook pages don’t mention it. They don’t mention it b/c if you look at the facts, you will see that Bundy has no right to graze his cattle on the land. For decades he has been using public property without compensation for his personal benefit.

[JoeFromSidney]

To Cats Pajamas and anyone else interested in ham radio. The place to start is the American Radio Relay League. www/arrl.org. License test manuals, operating procedure manuals, etc. Check them out, then follow up.

KC8OUX.

[Cats Pajamas]

KC8OUX.
?

[Cats Pajamas]

Thanks very much.

[Cats Pajamas]

But I suppose Harry Reid has the right to sell rights to the land to the Chicoms for $4 billion when the land is appraised at $36 billion? Something stinks bad.

[Lou Budvis]

That isn’t the same land.

[Cen-Tejas]

To: Lou Budvis; Sir, the following rather long post is from an EXCELLENT and very relevant post by Scoutmaster on 4/11. I give him all the credit and hope I am not violating any rules in using it again in response to your thoughtful post. My only comment starts here. I have spent 43 years litigating. Not one month of those 43 years did I not have at least one litigation going on somewhere. Even today, I have two lingering cases in the court. All Civil. I have paid attorneys on both sides in the millions. So, I know at least a little more about civil law than most and I can tell you that most fundamentally it is all about "the last man standing" or "the man with the deepest pocket" more than anything else. CLEARLY Mr. Bundy's pocket is no match for the Federal Government whose judges are inherently conflicted and get their paycheck from the Feds and all covet higher appointment to appeals courts. So, for those to say in recent days that "well, he lost in the courts the last 20 years" is dismaying to me to say the least for the aforesaid reasons. In any event, please read Scoutmaster' post and see if it persuades you any. Personally, I believe that IF you give Bundy a good well paid law firm (or maybe several like the feds have probably used) the feds don't have a prayer! ********************************************************** To: BuckeyeTexan The support is a reasoned argument the Nevada legislature adopted. It reads: NRS 321.596  Legislative findings.  The Legislature finds that: 1.  The State of Nevada has a strong moral claim upon the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada’s borders because: (a) On October 31, 1864, the Territory of Nevada was admitted to statehood on the condition that it forever disclaim all right and title to unappropriated public land within its boundaries; (b) From 1850 to 1894, newly admitted states received 2 sections of each township for the benefit of common schools, which in Nevada amounted to 3.9 million acres; (c) In 1880 Nevada agreed to exchange its 3.9-million-acre school grant for 2 million acres of its own selection from public land in Nevada held by the Federal Government; (d) At the time the exchange was deemed necessary because of an immediate need for public school revenues and because the majority of the original federal land grant for common schools remained unsurveyed and unsold; (e) Unlike certain other states, such as New Mexico, Nevada received no land grants from the Federal Government when Nevada was a territory; (f) Nevada received no land grants for insane asylums, schools of mines, schools for the blind and deaf and dumb, normal schools, miners’ hospitals or a governor’s residence as did states such as New Mexico; and (g) Nevada thus received the least amount of land, 2,572,478 acres, and the smallest percentage of its total area, 3.9 percent, of the land grant states in the Far West admitted after 1864, while states of comparable location and soil, namely Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, received approximately 11 percent of their total area in federal land grants. 2.  The State of Nevada has a legal claim to the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada’s borders because: (a) In the case of the State of Alabama, a renunciation of any claim to unappropriated lands similar to that contained in the ordinance adopted by the Nevada constitutional convention was held by the Supreme Court of the United States to be “void and inoperative” because it denied to Alabama “an equal footing with the original states” in Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. (3 How.) 212 (1845); (b) The State of Texas, when admitted to the Union in 1845, retained ownership of all unappropriated land within its borders, setting a further precedent which inured to the benefit of all states admitted later “on an equal footing”; and (c) The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, adopted into the Constitution of the United States by the reference of Article VI to prior engagements of the Confederation, first proclaimed the “equal footing” doctrine, and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, by which the territory including Nevada was acquired from Mexico and which is “the supreme law of the land” by virtue of Article VI, affirms it expressly as to the new states to be organized therein. 3.  The exercise of broader control by the State of Nevada over the public lands within its borders would be of great public benefit because: (a) Federal holdings in the State of Nevada constitute 86.7 percent of the area of the State, and in Esmeralda, Lincoln, Mineral, Nye and White Pine counties the Federal Government controls from 97 to 99 percent of the land; (b) Federal jurisdiction over the public domain is shared among 17 federal agencies or departments which adds to problems of proper management of land and disrupts the normal relationship between a state, its residents and its property; (c) None of the federal lands in Nevada are taxable and Federal Government activities are extensive and create a tax burden for the private property owners of Nevada who must meet the needs of children of Federal Government employees, as well as provide other public services; (d) Under general land laws only 2.1 percent of federal lands in Nevada have moved from federal control to private ownership; (e) Federal administration of the retained public lands, which are vital to the livestock and mining industries of the State and essential to meet the recreational and other various uses of its citizens, has been of uneven quality and sometimes arbitrary and capricious; and (f) Federal administration of the retained public lands has not been consistent with the public interest of the people of Nevada because the Federal Government has used those lands for armament and nuclear testing thereby rendering many parts of the land unusable and unsuited for other uses and endangering the public health and welfare. 4.  The intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States was to guarantee to each of the states sovereignty over all matters within its boundaries except for those powers specifically granted to the United States as agent of the states. 5.  The attempted imposition upon the State of Nevada by the Congress of the United States of a requirement in the enabling act that Nevada “disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory,” as a condition precedent to acceptance of Nevada into the Union, was an act beyond the power of the Congress of the United States and is thus void. 6.  The purported right of ownership and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States is without foundation and violates the clear intent of the Constitution of the United States. 7.  The exercise of such dominion and control of the public lands within the State of Nevada by the United States works a severe, continuous and debilitating hardship upon the people of the State of Nevada. * * * * * Some of this is an equitable argument. Some of this was rejected by Gardner, and I need to Shepardize Gardner to see if the USSC passed on it on appeal. Some of this has never been raised before a court, to my knowledge. 367 posted on ‎4‎/‎11‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎42‎:‎51‎ ‎AM by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 267 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

[Cats Pajamas]

Joe,
Well I know someone with a ham radio. If I got into that couldn’t they just jam signals with their HAARP and all the black ops junk I paid for with my tax dollars?

[Cats Pajamas]

What is not too riled up?