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IRS seizes refunds of taxpayers whose parents owe the government money
American Thinker ^ | 04/12/2014 | Rick Moran

Posted on 04/13/2014 11:55:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

When are the sins of the father visited upon his children? When the IRS and Social Security Administration say so.

Hit and Run:

Holding children responsible for the debt incurred by their parents is a feature of historical feudalism and a few modern third-world shitholes.

Developed countries, by and large, assume that a debt dies with the person who willingly incurred it, or at least stops with his or her estate. "By and large," I write, because the U.S. government has broken with centuries of tradition holding individuals responsible for their choices, opting to withhold tax refunds from children whose parents incurred vague and often ill-documented obligations to the feds.

The case of Mary Grice, a Maryland resident, reveals just how much Obama has "transformed" America:

A few weeks ago, with no notice, the U.S. government intercepted Mary Grice’s tax refunds from both the IRS and the state of Maryland. Grice had no idea that Uncle Sam had seized her money until some days later, when she got a letter saying that her refund had gone to satisfy an old debt to the government — a very old debt.

When Grice was 4, back in 1960, her father died, leaving her mother with five children to raise. Until the kids turned 18, Sadie Grice got survivor benefits from Social Security to help feed and clothe them.

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“It was a shock,” said Grice, 58. “What incenses me is the way they went about this. They gave me no notice, they can’t prove that I received any overpayment, and they use intimidation tactics, threatening to report this to the credit bureaus.”


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs; tax; taxes
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To: SeekAndFind

If you like your tax refund (aka what you already overpaid), you can keep your refund.

not...


41 posted on 04/13/2014 2:30:52 PM PDT by bgill
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To: silverleaf

In the olden days it was also not supposed to be used as ID but now they’re talking about putting your picture on it to be used as ID.


42 posted on 04/13/2014 2:40:30 PM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

Will they want food stamps repaid?


43 posted on 04/13/2014 2:50:23 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: greeneyes
ah but now obamacare can demand repayment of any “subsidies” received for an “affordable” obamacare policy!

They specifically made it for age 55 and above, all those folks getting forced by unemployment or trickle up poverty into MEDICAID and subsidies, but too young for Medicare

And you can also get screwed if your income goes up or family circumstances change - then the IRS will come after you to repay your healthcare insurance “subsidy"..guess they can also come after your heirs if you die, they seem determined to get the assets of the elderly and middle class, to redistribute

and Nancy Pelosi stands there and parses this as the AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE Care Act

It's a govt loan, not a "subsidy"

44 posted on 04/13/2014 2:54:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SeekAndFind

Proving once again that in Obama’s Bible “We are our brothers keeper”...


45 posted on 04/13/2014 2:56:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Perdogg

I thought about that and prayed the whole black community would be up in arms, since they have a lot of ancestors who were on disability and other forms of government programs....if there is outstanding debt the IRS said they would get it from descendants and family members. This may get changed once zero and the democratss running for office realize who it was.


46 posted on 04/13/2014 3:00:52 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: SeekAndFind

Corruption of Blood

The doctrine of corruption of blood mandated that when a person committed a criminal or treasonous act, he and his entire family became outlaws...
Why the founding fathers rejected corruption of blood remains unclear, but they seem to have been concerned about creating familial, rather than individual, punishment...
http://uscivilliberties.org/themes/3651-corruption-of-blood.html


47 posted on 04/13/2014 3:10:11 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: greeneyes

Thanx good story


48 posted on 04/13/2014 3:21:51 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: silverleaf

And most people aren’t even aware of it. Obama care removed the asset limits, so more people qualify for Medicaid, and there’s not an alternate on the exchanges. So people either accept the Medicaid, or pay a fine. Quite a little pincher manuver.

Then there is the Medicaid expansion that is being pushed for those at 139% of poverty. I haven’t heard anyone mention to the people that are for it, that the government will lay claim to the recipient’s estate.

I talked to my State Senator about this on Friday. Nary a word from the people pushing this, and the Republican response that gets press? There’s not such thing as a free lunch. Pubbies just can’t articulate facts that help their case it seems.

Hypthetically, the people can go on Medicaid, never use it, and drop dead at home, and I guess their estate will be charged for the “value of that insurance”. That could be some serious bucks, depending how they calculate it.

My private insurance was a 5000 dollar deductible 80/20 with no Rx, for just me and it cost me $800 dollars a month. I never spent more than %500/year for my medical care during all that time. I did benefit from the insurance company’s negotiated rate vs the individual rate for non-insured.


49 posted on 04/13/2014 3:27:57 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Glad you found it of interest.


50 posted on 04/13/2014 3:31:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Medicare is funded by the Social Security Administration. Which means it’s funded by taxpayers: We all pay 1.45% of our earnings into FICA - Federal Insurance Contributions Act, if you’re into deciphering acronyms - which go toward Medicare. Employers pay another 1.45%, bringing the total to 2.9%. (If you’re self-employed, you must cough up the entire 2.9%.) The Medicare deduction on your paycheck might say FICA-HI. The HI refers to Health Insurance, and it’s your premium cost for all Medicare coverage.While our FICA taxes to cover payments into the Social Security system are levied only on the first $106,800 in earnings for 2010, the Medicare tax is levied on every penny you earn


51 posted on 04/13/2014 5:05:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isent it fundamentally illegal to charge one man’s taxes to anther man?


52 posted on 04/13/2014 5:25:08 PM PDT by Monorprise
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