Posted on 04/11/2014 1:32:11 PM PDT by JeepersFreepers
Momentum is building behind what would be an unprecedented effort to amend the U.S. Constitution, through a little-known provision that gives states rather than Congress the power to initiate changes.
At issue is what's known as a "constitutional convention," a scenario tucked into Article V of the U.S. Constitution. At its core, Article V provides two ways for amendments to be proposed. The first – which has been used for all 27 amendment to date – requires two-thirds of both the House and Senate to approve a resolution, before sending it to the states for ratification. The Founding Fathers, though, devised an alternative way which says if two-thirds of state legislatures demand a meeting, Congress “shall call a convention for proposing amendments.”
“Based on several reports and opinions, Michigan might be the 34th state to issue such a call and therefore presents the constitutionally-required number of states to begin the process of achieving a balanced budget amendment,” Hunter wrote.
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By the way, do all Federal boot licks spell as good as you?
The trusting, grabbing-at-any-straw lambs are being led to the slaughter once again.
Leni
Oh! A Historian! Pardon me.
So you also should know that only about 30% of the colonists supported the revolution enough to put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor on the line to win our independence.
With that said, your cycles are not born to an equilibrium of the balanced pendulum swing. The pendulum has been culturally weighted to the left ever since the fight was over and those who refused to accept a ruling of individual liberty have been picking away at it ever since, for their own self aggrandizement. Ergo the progressives of many names through the years but still the same in principle.
On a sliding scale, we first went to almost a pure anarchist bent with the Articles of Confederation by the second Constitutional Congress. That didn’t work very well because it was almost institutionalized anarchy as for a union of states and the federal government was nothing more than a referee with no powers to settle disputes.
So now we find ourselves in the situation of sliding quickly to totalitarianism that the founders knew would happen over time and their trump card was Article V. Obama is just the worst of the worst but he also admittedly holds the Constitution in disdain as a “document of negative liberties” for the government and not the people for which it was written. Please tell me what part of the Bill of Rights has he not violated in his little journey to destroy what he views as an imperialistic society called the United States born from his ultra hated colonialism?
He has no respect for our founding and anything else that came along afterwards, good or bad. We also have a Congress that is totally impotent for being Representatives elected to do the people’s bidding but instead are on a constant mission to accept the bidding of crony capitalists.
So with all of that history, Mr. Historian, what is your solution, or are you just another of today’s 60% of sympathizer for the Crown? Or worse, a chicken little with a neck brace that can’t even look up to see if anything is falling out of the sky, or not. I know! Punt!
Considering that Congress and an Amendments Convention possess the exact same proposal powers, today Congress could propose amendments that would fulfill your worst fears. Every new Congress, Rep. Jose Serrano of the South Bronx introduces an amendment that would repeal the 2nd Amendment. It never gets out of committee. There is neither desire nor critical mass in Congress to propose the kind of amendments you fear.
Why do you believe that an Amendments Convention would propose them?
How do you believe that a convention, whose delegates would be chosen by the states, would propose the kind of amendments you fear?
How would the Left take control of a convention? Would the president order the army into the convention hall, train rifles on the delegates and force them to propose the kind of amendments you fear at gunpoint? He could do that to Congress today if he so chose and if the military would back him up.
Rather than work yourself into a state of high dudgeon, I'd like you to do a historian's job. Research it.
You forgot a convention filled with Third World delegates. The amendments they would propose would be fascinating to read.
How (and why) would the states send Third World delegates to an Amendments Convention? Or are you suggesting that the United Nations will send delegates and that the states will accept their attendance?
For your amusement (at the risk of angering some FRers for pimping) back when this subject was hot previously (comments are closed for obvious reasons):
The US Constitutional Convention of 2009
http://thepoliticallyincorrectfish.com/pif2/?p=1533
Leni
Apparently you have not seen the invaders from the Third World. California will soon return to Mexico. Alien Latins are being registered to vote by the 1000’s. Our government in California is almost all Mexican, Black and non Christian. A definition of Third World would be Latin Americans, Asians, Near Easterners, Non Christians, Africans foreign and domestic. Once you feel the lash of servitude you will know what is meant.
California is only one state. There are 49 other states.
Exactly, and they have been doing it since FDR. There is the written constitution which freepers refer to, and the unwritten, soiled-by-democrats constitution that is the basis of argument in national courts. There is a fetid crust of illegitimate Scotus decisions that have, for all practical purposes, rewritten our supreme law.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain from an Article V state convention.
Your petty snark at this thread is unworthy of an American historian.
At post #51 is a link to, and summary of a FL bill that will define the limits of their delegates to an amendment convention. States will send delegates with commissions, and not reps with plenary power.
Now maybe CA will send delegates with instructions to join Mexico, or some other such rot. There isn’t a chance that 38 states will ratify such amendments.
Then what is your solution?
To point out that maybe there is no solution. Perhaps we are in the “Greek Play” phase of our national existence; i.e. things will grind to their inevitable conclusion; Social War followed by an emperor. That has happened before. The recent events in Clark County give some hope.
The Roman historian Livy pointed out that his people, at the time he was writing, had reached that phase in their national existence where they could no longer tolerate their vices nor could they tolerate the actions necessary to cure them.(Vices.)
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