Posted on 04/11/2014 11:23:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.
A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to local 8 News Now: I’m not “afraid to shoot,” he said.
Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy’s sister and a cancer survivor, said at a town hall gathering this week that the situation “was like a war zone” and that she felt “like I was not in the United States,” The Daily Mail reported. The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: “Serious bloodshed was narrowly avoided,” in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a woman who was pregnant while the rancher’s son was hit with a taser.
On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr. Bundy’s property, escalating a court dispute that’s wound for two decades over the rancher’s refusal to pay for grazing fees.
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Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys keep up the fight.
“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy, with Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. “They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”
Mr. Lordy also said “many more” militia groups are coming to the site to join in the Bundy family defense.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Bundy owns the water and forage rights on those lands and owned them long before BLM ever took over management.
http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/
The BLM is in this solely to drive the Bundys off their land.
Not being familiar with either case very well I don't know if:
1. What is happening to Bundy is the natural progression of his case
OR
2. Did BLM turn up the pressure after the airing of the special.
......I read your post with interest and would only add the observation that just because the particular court you cite (on that particular order written by some lawyer of one side or the other) signed the order doesn’t make any of it LEGALLY Right or correct.
Mr. Bundy is simply out of money to pay lawyers. PERIOD. Throw some more money to Bundy’s side and they would shred that order on appeal for years and then if the Feds lose they ignore the court order anyway. The lawlessness of the Obama Administration IS the issue.
Anyway, as I said, the Feds never follow court orders anyway, ergo why should mere citizens?
Mexico finally learned that the militia culture is the bedrock of a free society. We are relearning that lesson.
Come and join us.
Not sure it’s illegal...though certainly an overreach. The guy is in default....regardless of how the parties involved see it otherwise.
However, did the guy fight the Gov. when they tried initially to claim the lands? Were those lands his to begin with? Or has he simply been grazing the lands as he felt entitled to?
Many unanswered questions.....
I think the government has broken far more laws than this guy. Sooner or later people get fed up.
It's way past time to start standing up to these Jack Booted Thugs. If it leads to violence, then it will be the feds who decided to start the fire. F**K em!
So this guy cannot run cattle on King Barack's land? Or does the land belong to the People of these United States? Should a hiker pay to walk the desert, or to burn King Barack's wood in a campfire?
Go for a weekend hike across this land. If you go a few miles you may see a few cows grazing. Grazing cows eat grass and poop. The poop makes the land richer, so it grows more grass. In the eastern US they speak of how many cows can an acre support. Out here it is dozens or hundreds of acres to support one cow.
Isn’t it amazing the feds are so up in arms about cows grazing on contested land, yet sit on their hands while 80 square miles (the Buenos Aires National Refuge area) on the southern Arizona border remains in the hands of Mexican drug cartels?
Sorry, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the BLM or the feds in this case. It’s my understanding they’re doing this to save the tortoise. Bankrupting ranchers to save turtles is the exact thing they did here in California. Bankrupted farmers to save bottom fish. The feds should back the hell out and quit trying to destroy free enterprise.
I am a citizen of the state of Kentucky first and the US second and I am conservative.
“(((((I think the shooting will not start. The feds will deescalate.))))) Yep...might be a show down...but they will retreat.”
In the first armed invasion at Waco, the Feds retreated. Because the Davidians didn’t shoot first, they weren’t interested in following up with an advance.
If they had, there probably would not have been an ATF agent left alive that day.
That is why this is different: if shooting starts I don’t see much safe haven for any Fed dude in that county.
I don’t see a lot of evidence that the Fed has given that much thought, either.
Where is Harry Reid? It’s his state.
I fear the Feds will massacre them. They don't have all these testosterone jack boots sitting around hoping for a peaceful solution. They probably can't wait to show the "citizens" who is the big boss.
Thanks for that! I will link it to others. I do believe Harry Reid is perhaps the most odious hominid in the history of simian life.
Jerking himself while gazing at a picture of Koch brothers.
Precisely. States should declare that there are no "Federal" lands within their borders, because the Tenth Amendment takes precedence and any land within the borders of a state that is not owned by private individuals, belongs to the state.
From your link...this does clarify a few things....
Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM. The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his heard’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM. When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying. So should BLM reimburse him for managing the land and for the confiscation of his water and forage rights?
Former Reid aide confirmed as head of Interior energy agency
OK. Now I need brain bleach.
Right. The cattlemen are not trapped in a flimsy building like those poor souls at Waco.
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