I’m not an “antivaxxer” but this crap is sounding more and more like the fascist left all the time.
Only The Good Die Young
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I'm sure I sound insane, but I am convinced that "progress" is never going to come from government action. However, war and disease do have a pretty good track record for pushing civilization on to new heights. Death is unavoidable, and when we try to avoid it, things don't always go well.
A letter to the editor today in our local Gannett newsrag stated the belief that autism is the result of too many vaccinations given at the same time or too close to one another.
No we are not against vac,ing our kids, just the very toxic materials used in them. With the rates of Autism on the rise, all data seems to be pointing at the materials used in treating our kids.
Materials like mercury,formaldehyde,supposed to be a dead virus, but mistakes do happen & live ones get used, need I go on.
Polio is transmitted person to person, so any increase in unvaccinated people in the population increases the risk of infections.
The key is “proven vaccines”. Yes some are tired and true. Others not so much. And some like like flu vaccines show no benefit. It’s become a money making machine with the usual canards and derision for those who don’t blindly trust the medical profession. I’m sorry but with so many instances of medical malpractice from Fen-Phen to the insane overdiagnosing of learning disabilities resulting in millions of child speed junkies, one is a fool not to view any of these medical mantras suspiciously.
There are two clear sides to the vaccination dilemma, and only one side is given in the mainstream media.
DOESNT THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?
Does the media ever explain gun rights to protect against despotic government? Ever?
Does the media ever mention the ills of society and the economy caused by illegal immigration?
Does the media ever compare numbers of dangers to health from gay promiscuity vs. consumption of fat?? Does it??
Hmmmm.
The positive on vaccinating is: some of the vaccines might make it more difficult to become infected with the disease, and some might even cause immunity, temporary or long term.
The negatives: each vaccine contains neurotoxic adjuvants and metals and preservatives, and some questionable media. Plus, many vaccines are only given from multi dose bottles (not all ingredients will be evenly dispensed over the weeks that bottle is used. The last few doses may have many more metal parts than the first), and with multiple vaccines in one, supposedly to keep from repeatedly sticking an infant with sharp needles.
The safest way to give a vaccine is to give them individually, to a perfectly healthy person with a strong and developed gut population: meaning immune system. Yet one can’t. They are only made as multiple multiples.
Also, they insist on sticking these multiple vaccines into tiny newborns, 2, 4, and 6 months old. Their immune systems / gut populations are barely forming. Their health can be compromised by tiny things at that age, even teething, and the parents can not predict which days the child’s gut population is strong enough not to affect the child’s neuro system negatively. And the reason helpless infants are given these dangerous neurotoxins? Because the pediatric association says this is the only time they can get the mothers to bring the kids in. EVEN AT GREAT RISK TO THE BRAINS OF GENERATIONS. It is too early to risk those ingredients, and so MANY vaccines, and with the rates of children with brain disorders getting close to one in 50, let us rethink this plan to poison newborns on this mass scale.
The risks for neurological chronic or disabling damage can be far greater than the risk of the disease. No one in mainstream medicine or media is properly informing parents of these risks, yet they all panic over people not vaccinating. BOTH SIDES NEED TO BE TOLD.
The public health medicine community (CDC and others) brought this problem on by continually piling on shots for diseases that while terrible, don’t generally cause epidemics.
My father was a polio survivor and so I am a huge believer in vaccines, but the current schedule is excessive and that’s the main reason for the revolt against it.
I had my children in the mid-nineties when they introduced the Hep-B vaccine to be given to newborns. This is because the hospitals didn’t want to profile mothers as a risk factor (sex worker or IV drug user), so we’ll just vaccinate everyone.
The basic dishonesty involved is offensive to pretty much the rest of us moms who may be distracted by our busy lives, but we aren’t stupid and we don’t like jabbing our babies repeatedly for things that are NOT actual risks.
If they backed the schedule down and did honest and intelligent lifestyle risk assessments with the parents, they’d find a lot higher rates of compliance.
As a side note to this thread, this country has an issue with respect to people who, for various reasons, don’t make informed decisions.
My problem was not with the vaccines themselves but the schedule. My daughter is fully vaccinated. We just spread them out. We worked the schedule out with our pediatrician. She received 1 vaccine at a time. That way, if there was a reaction, we’d know what it was from. The original schedule (8 yrs ago) was up to 4 shots at a time. If there was a reaction, how’d you know which vaccine caused it?
Let’s be clear here: pro-vaccine people do NOT want everyone to be vaccinated.
What they want is for the government to be able to force unvaccinated adults out of their jobs and schools, and send SWAT teams after unvaccinated children.
There is a BIG difference.
I’m not yet at the point of wishing polio or pertussis in the families of fanatic antivaxxers (those who oppose vaccination in general, not just the currently used schedules) - but I’m getting closer to that point every day.
People seem to forget a major facet of the anti-vaccination debate:
Before Vaccines were created by doctors in the hopes of preventing disease, illness and horrible death. Now we have our Government behind the effort.
Our government has demonstrated nothing but loathing and harmful intent to it’s people.
I am a pretty intelligent guy, with a background in chemistry and biology (Although not bio-chemisty and human biology) and I don’t understand the chemicals that are in play - fully. Doctors would tell us “Listen, this seems to work” but only Government comes in and says “You (have to) do this”.
And that is where the hair on the back of my neck stands up. When the government says “Do this” it is NEVER for our benefit.
So yea, the government is why I choose not to vaccinate.
No we are not against vac,ing our kids, just the very toxic materials used in them. With the rates of Autism on the rise, all data seems to be pointing at the materials used in treating our kids. Materials like mercury,formaldehyde,supposed to be a dead virus, but mistakes do happen & live ones get used, need I go on.False. Measured mercury levels in infants receiving a vaccine preserved by an appropriate amount of thiomersal were low; some were so low that they could not be measured. It causes no harm. Relevant papers: One, Two, Three. More available on request.
each vaccine contains neurotoxic adjuvants and metals and preservatives, and some questionable media...Their health can be compromised by tiny things at that age, even teething, and the parents can not predict which days the child’s gut population is strong enough not to affect the child’s neuro system negatively...The risks for neurological chronic or disabling damage can be far greater than the risk of the disease.Again, false. The supposed "neurotoxics" cause no harm. Relevant papers: One, Two, Three. More available on request.
I have a few degrees; what should I have gotten more of so that I could understand that ingredients bundled into multiple vaccine doses can harm the brain?So long as you are a neurochemist that has performed studies on the subject, you would have the expertise and knowledge to determine that.
The question no rabid vaccinator can answer.The answer to that is contained in herd immunity.
The only things it doesn’t mention is how the toxins etc are “washed” in various formaldehydes.All meat that you buy in ANY grocery store, including most organic meat (even at Whole Foods)? Washed in formaldehyde.
I thought your vaccines protected you from diseases. Why would you care about unvaccinated people, unless your vaccines don’t work? And if they don’t work, why take them, and why try to force them on everyone else?The answer to that is contained in herd immunity.
And to top it off, you want to use guns to force everyone into your same level of completely unguaranteed vaccination while utterly ignoring the massive pharmaceutical profit margin.No, I won't force people to get vaccinated. Far from it. But should the unvaccinated get polio, pertussis, measles, etc, I will quarantine them. And I believe it should be permanant in nature, like they used to do with tuberculosis.
It's sound more and more like people that have been bought off by big pharmaceutical companies to me.@Yaelle:
There are two clear sides to the vaccination dilemma, and only one side is given in the mainstream media. DOESNT THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?What the anti-vaxxers don't know: Big Pharma Supports The Antivaccine Movement: The Real Conspiracy
Herd immunity is one thing, risk on an individual level is another. There is such a thing as over-vaccinating. There are individuals who will have adverse reaction. I have an immune response to vaccination myself. So, I choose not to receive the annual flu vaccine. Would I never get another? I won’t rule it out. Does this make me a Bircher ... Oops, “antivaxxer?” The mass labeling bothers me. Can wearing a scarlet AV be far behind?
Yes - the government lies about most everything.
No - the government is not lying about the need for kids to get vaccinated.
I know that the two statements sound vaguely self-contradictory but nevertheless I stand by both of them.