Posted on 03/30/2014 6:48:10 PM PDT by No One Special
Following up on Putin’s phone call to Obama, Kerry is making a detour to Paris to negotiate with Lavrov over the fate of Ukraine.
Lavrov has laid out Russia’s terms, and intimates that Obama and Kerry have accepted the principles underlying these terms.
First, Russia demands that Ukraine adopt a new constitution that establishes a federal structure that gives each region considerable autonomy. Translate this to mean that these regions would be able to pull a Crimea. Or, more accurately, that Russia would be able to pull a Crimea, slicing off pieces of Ukraine and splicing them onto Russia.
Crucially, Lavrov said: “I can say that ‘federation’ is no longer a taboo word in our negotiations.” Meaning that if he is telling the truth (always a big if) Obama has conceded that Ukraine’s constitutional order is up for negotiation, on Moscow’s terms.
Second, Russia demands that Ukraine’s new constitution incorporate guarantees that Ukraine will not join Nato or any other alliance.
In brief: the Secretary of State of the United States is traveling to Paris to negotiate the constitution of a sovereign country, without the presence of that country. The end state of this negotiation would be to turn Ukraine into a Russian satrapy, to be gobbled up piecemeal, and with no ability to conduct an independent foreign policy.
Lavrov’s teaser is that Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine. But if you read his words closely, you will understand that he means Russia has no intention of invading if its terms are accepted. Otherwise, Ukraine is a fascist, Nazi threat to Russia and to Russian “compatriots.” And we know what Putin believes such a threat justifies.
The 1930s analogies keep coming, fast and furious. Here the analogy is Munich, where France and Germany negotiated Czechoslovakia’s fate with Hitler, without the Czechs being present. The Czechs called the agreement the Munich Diktat. Will the Ukrainians call this the Paris Diktat?
There are other similarities. The pretext of the Germans in 1938 was and Russia in 2014 is the necessity of protecting co-ethnics allegedly threatened by independent nations not invited to the negotiations. Munich resulted in the handover of the major industrial region of Czechoslovakia to Germany: the likely outcome of an agreement on Putin’s terms would be to handover Ukraine’s main industrial region to Russia. The Munich negotiations took place under the threat of a German invasion of Czechoslovakia if Hitler’s terms were not accepted, and German troops were massed on the border to carry out that threat. The Paris negotiations are taking place under the threat of a Russian invasion of Ukraine if Putin’s terms are not accepted, and Russian troops are massed on the border with the capability to carry out that threat.
Once upon a time “No More Munichs!” was a catchphrase in US foreign policy. No longer, apparently. Obama and Kerry seem to be saying “Why Not Munich?”
Even if no agreement comes of these talks, or talks that follows, it is deeply shameful that the United States would even engage in such a negotiation on such terms with such a nation. Deeply shameful.
I bet Putin has the "goods" on Obama.
1. The real birth certificate?
2. Maybe some bathhouse stories?
3. Some financial relationships before and after his election?
4. Memberships or connections to various groups, photos, speeches, etc.
Nope. Their previous democratically elected government was overthrown by an Obama/Soros/sodomite EU backed coup. The new junta is now just a puppet government. All they can do is follow orders from the IMF and CFR.
It has been a month. Ample time for you to have educated yourself on why the elected government was overthrown.
Pease in our time!
Yes.
After several hours, no highly negative response from others? What is going on? Can it be that things are always more complex than the mass media companies are capable of understanding when they reprint government press releases as "news"?
Here's another zinger for you:
Which was the first country to run concentration camps in Europe?
1) Nazi Germany 2) Soviet Union 3) Austro-Hungarian Empire 4) British Empire
The answer is "3) Austro-Hungarian Empire". During World War I, from 1914 to 1918, Vienna ran a series of concentration camps (properly defined as "concentrating" large groups of people with the attendant violence and death, and not necessarily killing them in mass-production mode like the later Nazis.) The area they conducted mass terror in was "Galicia", roughly the westernmost 5 counties of Ukraine except the Carpathian region, plus southeast Poland. Estimates range as high as 60,000 people in the villages of the region being hanged on-site or sent to these camps, for declaring they were Russian and not Ukrainian.
The most well-known camps, which are still remembered by the Russian population of Ukraine, Belarus, and Poland are Talerhof and Terezin and others as far away as Austria itself.
The later pro-Nazi Ukrainians of Galicia that one reads about, who collaborated with the Nazis and whose grandchildren comprise such pro-Nazi groups as "Right Sector" and "Svoboda", were those who willingly assisted in the destruction of Russian identity in that region after a thousand years of the history of the Rus principalities.
There is no wonder that the Russians of all those countries including Russia itself are extremely mistrustful of the West for facilitating the violent coup d'etat by these same pro-Nazi forces controlling other well-meaning but possibly naive groups.
An analogy....if that happened in US, I'd hope that US states would be able to leave the US.
Ukraine is a failed nation. What happened in Kiev in the west shouldn't affect what happens in other parts of the country. Splitting the country and tweaking the borders with other countries I hope produces a Ukraine that can govern, defend, and finance itself....instead of whining for other countries to finance and defend it.
Bottom line....a violent coup is not a democratic process and a vote is not an invasion.
The KGB knows plenty about bath house barry.
Much more that the dimrat party.
That whole flexibility thing was a coded surrender.
Thanks dimrats and your media for bringing us this mess.
What is amazing about the Obama admin deception is that they go into these countries, cozy up to anyone interested (sometimes vermin), agitate and community organize to foment the ousting of these governments with no plans ready if their devious plans fail.
Obama starts the nightmare and when, or if, the SHTF and things go awry, they fold up the tent and hit the road leaving a mess and a vacuum filled by who knows what.
I believe Obama is being blackmailed.
They may be worried about covert activity/false flag news leaks and high level telephone conversation leakages.
And they might be afraid of you because likely you can find and accurately translate Russian blogs and boards.
When this group demonizes current Russian leadership with Western MSM sources, and are called on the lack of veracity of the source, they switch to American blogs that supposedly are right of center but support the GOP-E that supports leftist One World policy.
The real reason for hatred of Russians by the Modern West, is that Russians are, as a culture, predominately White, Christian and Straight. Those qualities cannot be allowed to accumulate power.
The coup was supported by Obama, Soros, and the sodomite EU to the tune of billions of dollars, massive propaganda around the world, and God knows what else. The puppet junta is already selling the country out to the IMF and World Bank. That’s all I need to know about this foreign takeover.
Monsanto nazis ?
Because as we all know, Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians and other nations in conflict with them (nearly every neighbor of Russia) are mainly black, homo muslims ! Yeah, let's call Alex Jones know !
You said that, not I.
New government will be elected soon, there was no gummit forced coup, just pissed off people sick of red terror. Get it? You are being corralled slowly to commie paradise by Obamanomics, so stand by and obey!
The people soon discovered that all the EU/globalist/US wanted was to gain control of the economy and assets. An analogy....if that happened in US, I'd hope that US states would be able to leave the US.
Ukraine is a failed nation. What happened in Kiev in the west shouldn't affect what happens in other parts of the country. Splitting the country and tweaking the borders with other countries I hope produces a Ukraine that can govern, defend, and finance itself....instead of whining for other countries to finance and defend it.
Bottom line....a violent coup is not a democratic process and a vote is not an invasion.
Concurring bump...nice rant.
Kerry should be sure to take his umbrella for reasons other than the fact that the Weather Channel is predicting rain for Paris this weekend.
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